chris_b Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 The only fake encores are when a band does an encore when the audience doesn't care and hasn't asked for one. If the audience isn't bothered about an encore, then you haven't done a good enough job. You either do an encore (the audience likes you and wants to hear more) or you don't (you're crap and the audience has already gone home). Some bands don't do set lists. All pro bands do, so having all the numbers/songs thought out and assessed for their effectiveness in a running order is the sign of a better band. Encores are part of the set and should still be planned so you can make the audience happy and still send them home wanting more. 1 Quote
dave_bass5 Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 20 hours ago, Nail Soup said: Just visited the website of indie band "The Lovely Eggs" to check the rescheduled tour dates. They have dedicated a page of the website to rail against the fake encore. Here are two snaps from the site. So what do you reckon? All part of the fun , or an abomination we should get rid of? Never head of this band, but of course they are entitled to their opinion , even if it is bollox (in mine of course). They sound like a couple of Mr and Mrs Silly Billy who think they are doing something new or clever. Same old ‘indie/fight the system’ dross by the looks of it. Its not like they are doing anything new anyway. Who cares 😂 Quote
Rich Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) Whoops hoist by their own petard! I want to hear song 3 though. Edited June 19, 2021 by Rich Quote
SteveXFR Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 I just had a listen to Lovely Eggs. Not at all original, just copying late 70s punk bands. Their songs are short though so that's good. Quote
dave_bass5 Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 39 minutes ago, Rich said: Whoops hoist by their own petard! I want to hear song 3 though. I wonder if that encore song has ever been played 😀 1 Quote
pigface Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 I saw Dave Allen in London, a long time ago. He had a stool and on a table next to it a glass of water (well, he claimed it was water as he'd stopped drinking). At the end of the show, he noted that he did not do encores, said goodnight and left the stage. After prolonged applause, he returned, slowly crossed the stage to the table, picked up the glass and left the stage again. 2 4 Quote
Happy Jack Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 Not sure what all this "leaving the stage" and "taking a bow" stuff is all about. Try that at the Dog & Duck and you'd get laughed straight back into the Gents' toilet, and deservedly so. Really not fond of bands who introduce themselves, either - why would I care that "tonight ... on drums ... we have ... DAVE!!!"? But Encore! now, well that's another matter. The word simply means 'more' as in encore un fois = one more time in French. Every gig I play I prepare the setlist on the basis that the crowd might go wild and the band might be asked (or yelled at) to "play some more" or at least "one more song". That happens more often than not, and we'd be fools not to have two or three really good songs to fall back on when the shouts come. No shouts, of course, and we just stop playing. It's not a false encore just because it appears on our setlist. 3 Quote
SteveXFR Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Happy Jack said: Really not fond of bands who introduce themselves, either - why would I care that "tonight ... on drums ... we have ... DAVE!!!"? Unless Dave's surname is Grohl or Lombardo then I'll agree with that 100% 2 Quote
Skinnyman Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, taunton-hobbit said: I thought it was proper to do the introduction to the band at the start of the set, a la….. 1 Quote
BillyBass Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 When I was a teenager in the late 70s and early 80s going to punk gigs the fake encore was done by pretty much every headline band. The only time I can remember a band not doing one was Adam and the Antz, on two occasions. At one gig in Huddersfield there had been fights between the locals and us throughout the gig. The Huddersfield Town skinheads had just come for a fight. Adam walked off at the end of the set and didn't come back. It was a horrible gig. The second time was at another Adam and the Antz gig in London. They were sort of in the transition from being a punk band to being a silly teenybopper pop band. Instead of all shouting for "More" the audience all shouted "Andy Warren, Andy Warren" (he was the old bassist before the Antz went sh*t). Adam said "You don't deserve it" and walked off stage. Quote
nekomatic Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 20 hours ago, Jus Lukin said: I wonder; What performance techniques do The Lovely Eggs use to elicit a positive response from an audience? I wonder this too, and I’ve seen them. 3 Quote
Barking Spiders Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 The Jesus and Mary Chain had the best approach to avoiding fake encores. Get people thinking they're going to a gig for an hour or so but then play with your back to the crowd and bog off after 20 minutes, calling it a day Quote
gjones Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 On 19/06/2021 at 09:22, skidder652003 said: It's hard to do an encore when the landlords put the Telly back on, switched up all the lights and put some hip hop back on the radio. Yes, I was at that U2 gig too. 1 Quote
Stub Mandrel Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 Having been in the alternative positions of (a) playing a song twice and (b) playing a song that we jammed once or twice a couple of weeks ago I'd say ideally a band knows what it's encore will be and is prepared not to play it if they don't go down well... even if that scenario is wildly unlikely. Quote
Happy Jack Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said: Having been in the alternative positions of (a) playing a song twice and (b) playing a song that we jammed once or twice a couple of weeks ago I'd say ideally a band knows what it's encore will be and is prepared not to play it if they don't go down well... even if that scenario is wildly unlikely. I was at Bad Company's first ever London gig, the Rainbow. Can't Get Enough was in the charts at the time. All the material they had was their debut album, Eponymous. Is that right? No, it must have been their eponymous debut album, Bad Company. So there they were trying to play a gig with just 40 minutes of material available. Hmmmmmm. They opened with Can't Get Enough, played the entire album (including Can't Get Enough), and then finished with ... erm ... Can't Get Enough. Then they went off having been on stage for well under an hour. The crowd got rather rowdy and eventually they came back for an encore. Literally. They played Can't Get Enough. I'm not making this up, y'know. 1 1 1 Quote
Beer of the Bass Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 On 18/06/2021 at 18:50, Nail Soup said: Just visited the website of indie band "The Lovely Eggs" to check the rescheduled tour dates. They have dedicated a page of the website to rail against the fake encore. Here are two snaps from the site. So what do you reckon? All part of the fun , or an abomination we should get rid of? I bet those aren't real coffee stains on the note! Quote
LukeFRC Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 On 19/06/2021 at 15:13, dave_bass5 said: Never head of this band, but of course they are entitled to their opinion , even if it is bollox (in mine of course). They sound like a couple of Mr and Mrs Silly Billy who think they are doing something new or clever. Same old ‘indie/fight the system’ dross by the looks of it. Its not like they are doing anything new anyway. Who cares 😂 Yeah, there's a trend in indie stuff of not doing encores. It's not that unusual, didn't the Stone Roses do the same? Laura Marling I think too. I can't remember, don't care. The lovely eggs are going to get a shock when their web traffic tripples due to this thread or something! Quote
Happy Jack Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, Beer of the Bass said: I bet those aren't real coffee stains on the note! They used a companion product to Photo Shop. It's called Photo Cafe. Quote
LukeFRC Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Happy Jack said: They used a companion product to Photo Shop. It's called Photo Cafe. B·U·L·L·S·.... Quote
dave_bass5 Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, LukeFRC said: Yeah, there's a trend in indie stuff of not doing encores. It's not that unusual, didn't the Stone Roses do the same? Laura Marling I think too. I can't remember, don't care. The lovely eggs are going to get a shock when their web traffic tripples due to this thread or something! Makes me laugh. As with punk, indie bands want to be different, only they all do different the same way 😂 1 2 Quote
Geek99 Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 I thought this was normal where a band was being filmed to give the director a choice of end-points- slightly dishonest in a sense, but still normal in some cases Quote
Geek99 Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 Before I read this thread I assumed this was about an instrument that being faked as an Encore instrument , I was thinking “jeez how bad would it have to be, exactly ?” 1 Quote
MacDaddy Posted June 21, 2021 Posted June 21, 2021 I saw Bauhaus in '98. They did 4 encores. Fake or not they were awesome 😎 1 Quote
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