Quatschmacher Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 (edited) 22 minutes ago, lidl e said: Bah! I only use mine for Quatschmacher patches! The new stuff planned is the most intriguing bit to me. I will keep an eye on development... Well, I’ll certainly be making and sharing some sync patches, so if you want those then you’ll have to get the new one. Edited March 6 by Quatschmacher 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted March 8 Author Share Posted March 8 So has anyone ordered one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian45 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 On 08/03/2024 at 12:52, Quatschmacher said: So has anyone ordered one? I’m seriously thinking about it. I assume we in the uk have to add in the import duties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, Brian45 said: I’m seriously thinking about it. I assume we in the uk have to add in the import duties? Yes, unfortunately one of the realities of brexitland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 12 hours ago, Quatschmacher said: Yes, unfortunately one of the realities of brexitland. Has that changed for new bits of kit compared to what it was before? (I'm aware there is now VAT to pay on used kit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lidl e Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Al Krow said: Has that changed for new bits of kit compared to what it was before? (I'm aware there is now VAT to pay on used kit). Ship it to me and fly over to pick it up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Al Krow said: Has that changed for new bits of kit compared to what it was before? (I'm aware there is now VAT to pay on used kit). New, old, doesn’t matter; you buy something over £15 in value from abroad and you get charged on it. It’s even worse sometimes: I returned a tiny USB keyboard receiver to someone who’d accidentally left it plugged into a bit of gear he sent me and he got charged when it got back to Denmark! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lidl e Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 11 minutes ago, Quatschmacher said: New, old, doesn’t matter; you buy something over £15 in value from abroad and you get charged on it. It’s even worse sometimes: I returned a tiny USB keyboard receiver to someone who’d accidentally left it plugged into a bit of gear he sent me and he got charged when it got back to Denmark! Plus the €3.75 admin charge in every package Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Quatschmacher said: New, old, doesn’t matter; you buy something over £15 in value from abroad and you get charged on it. It’s even worse sometimes: I returned a tiny USB keyboard receiver to someone who’d accidentally left it plugged into a bit of gear he sent me and he got charged when it got back to Denmark! But wasn't that always the case on new gear? My point is that hasn't changed, we've always had to pay VAT on new kit whether from home or abroad - shouldn't be a surprise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 56 minutes ago, Al Krow said: But wasn't that always the case on new gear? My point is that hasn't changed, we've always had to pay VAT on new kit whether from home or abroad - shouldn't be a surprise? In my understanding The difference is the way that our government have tried to implement vat collection is fairly onerous for small businesses abroad - so for someone like Thomann it’s no problem and they can carry on like before, but some sellers like panda audio just have one price and don’t seem to have an export price - so effectively you get charged twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 3 minutes ago, LukeFRC said: In my understanding The difference is the way that our government have tried to implement vat collection is fairly onerous for small businesses abroad - so for someone like Thomann it’s no problem and they can carry on like before, but some sellers like panda audio just have one price and don’t seem to have an export price - so effectively you get charged twice I guess if Panda are not VAT registered, then I could see it making a difference. Need someone above my pay grade on VAT issues to explain it better though! No different to importing kit from the USA, Japan, Korea, Indonesia or China though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, Al Krow said: I guess if Panda are not VAT registered, then I could see it making a difference. Need someone above my pay grade on VAT issues to explain it better though! No different to importing kit from the USA, Japan, Korea, Indonesia or China though? Except there’s no sales tax buying out of state in us - so cost price is cost price and then vat is added for us at import. the system HMRC set up is that they wanted international sellers to pay and register and collect the VAT for them. Obviously that’s not something a small seller would the burden and cost of, I get the feeling a lot of them will just include the VAT in their territory put it in the mail and let it get charged UK VAT on top. it’s all a bit rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 (edited) 50 minutes ago, LukeFRC said: Except there’s no sales tax buying out of state in us - so cost price is cost price and then vat is added for us at import. the system HMRC set up is that they wanted international sellers to pay and register and collect the VAT for them. Obviously that’s not something a small seller would the burden and cost of, I get the feeling a lot of them will just include the VAT in their territory put it in the mail and let it get charged UK VAT on top. it’s all a bit rubbish I don't follow. If Panda Audio are not making enough sales to be registered for VAT then they don't need to charge VAT. And even if they are registered for VAT then there is zero VAT on exports by them, but we add VAT on when it comes into the UK. Either way I don't see how it differs from a US seller really? Paging @Steve Browning who, unlike me, knows what he's talking about when it comes to VAT! Edited March 10 by Al Krow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 2 hours ago, Al Krow said: I don't follow. If Panda Audio are not making enough sales to be registered for VAT then they don't need to charge VAT. My wifes shop was not making enough to be registered for vat, and pre-brexit had a lot of customers in the EU (about 25% of her business was that), but would have had to pay vat after that. Never did though as post brexit the workload involved to sell into the EU was to great for her to do as well as the rest of the shop so she lost that market to a larger EU shop that was her competitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 This is very much a tangent from discussing a lovely new pedal though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted March 10 Author Share Posted March 10 7 hours ago, Al Krow said: But wasn't that always the case on new gear? My point is that hasn't changed, we've always had to pay VAT on new kit whether from home or abroad - shouldn't be a surprise? No. EU sales didn’t used to have VAT charged separately (they were the same as buying from the UK until the withdrawal rules kicked in). It’s very different now. (Buying from outside of Europe is the same as it always was.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 3 hours ago, LukeFRC said: This is very much a tangent from discussing a lovely new pedal though It is - although it does clarify more - I must admit I forgot when I ordered my FI, i forgot about the vat so it was a bit of a surprise. It is worth reminding people but obviously isn't pandas fault. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 So what's the cost of a new FI Mk4 going to be delivered to our door with taxes, import duties etc. added on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 (edited) 8 hours ago, Al Krow said: So what's the cost of a new FI Mk4 going to be delivered to our door with taxes, import duties etc. added on? Taxes will be approximately 22.5% + £12 admin fee. Price in GBP is dependent upon what the monthly HMRC EUR-to-GBP conversion rate is when purchased. Edited March 11 by Quatschmacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 47 minutes ago, Quatschmacher said: Price in GBP is dependent upon what the monthly HMRC EUR-to-GBP conversion rate is when purchased. Is the price not dependant on the company of the payment methods conversion rate when purchased? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Quatschmacher said: Taxes will be approximately 22.5% + £12 admin fee. Price in GBP is dependent upon what the monthly HMRC EUR-to-GBP conversion rate is when purchased. 50 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: Is the price not dependant on the company of the payment methods conversion rate when purchased? Thanks gents. Pulling that together: Pre-order price of the unit €299.00 (I see this has already been reduced from €359.00) £1 GBP = €1.1346 EUR (current for Paypal) Add taxes of 22.5% & £12 admin fee Cost of a new Mk4 can be expected to be around £335 delivered to your door in the UK. Edited March 11 by Al Krow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lidl e Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 3 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Thanks gents. Pulling that together: Pre-order price of the unit €299.00 Nice. That 359 was too much. That makes it a much more attractive buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 are there no UK distributers - like Bass Direct or someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, Woodinblack said: Is the price not dependant on the company of the payment methods conversion rate when purchased? HMRC fixes import rates and it is they who charge tax. Currency conversion rates from HMRC are fixed per calendar month and published in advance. All that may vary slightly is the admin charge from the delivery company for paying the taxes on your behalf. Royal Mail charges £12 (or £18, I can’t remember) for lower value items and £36 for higher value items. This is where you need to look for import exchange rates: https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/exchange_rates/monthly Edited March 11 by Quatschmacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 22 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: are there no UK distributers - like Bass Direct or someone? No. Panda asked me if I want to do it but it’s too much paperwork for my tastes. I did suggest a few established places to them to try to enlist but they haven’t followed up as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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