Obrienp Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 This really caught my interest. I was hoping it was another affordable British made hybrid amp to consider. However, I am sure Fenn says that the “tube” circuit is actually emulation, rather than real tube(s). Disappointing. Like others have said, I want more than grit/distortion. I love the clean sound you can get from a valve amp. I have yet to hear tube emulation that does a clean warm valve sound convincingly. Shame: with the choice of FET and “tube” channels, plus the ability to blend them, it would be a real winner… if it really was a tube channel. i checked the spec on the Laney website but it is pretty vague. Normally manufacturers list what valves they use. I assume the absence of this information confirms that there aren’t any actual valves involved. All that weight (7KG) and no valves? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, Obrienp said: This really caught my interest. I was hoping it was another affordable British made hybrid amp to consider. However, I am sure Fenn says that the “tube” circuit is actually emulation, rather than real tube(s). Disappointing. Like others have said, I want more than grit/distortion. I love the clean sound you can get from a valve amp. I have yet to hear tube emulation that does a clean warm valve sound convincingly. Shame: with the choice of FET and “tube” channels, plus the ability to blend them, it would be a real winner… if it really was a tube channel. i checked the spec on the Laney website but it is pretty vague. Normally manufacturers list what valves they use. I assume the absence of this information confirms that there aren’t any actual valves involved. All that weight (7KG) and no valves? To be honest, much as I like valve amps, I find that sometimes an emulation of a full valve amp (i.e. capturing preamp and power tube overdrive) will deliver a more authentic 'all valve' sound than placing a single 12AX7 valve into the preamp circuit and labelling it as 'all tube drive circuit'. It really depends on how good the overall circuit is, rather than whether it is a real valve of not. Laney have been running their Nexus Tube and Fet range for years. So I have no issues with them on trying something new here with class D technology. Edited July 1, 2021 by thodrik the usual poor grammar and punctuation 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydoug Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 Yeah, experience has taught me that Laney know how to make a great sounding preamp, and are also good and sneaking valves into tiny spaces (and running them at high voltage) so I wouldn't rule out a real tube being in there or a solid state preamp sounding good. Shame about the name 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrienp Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 hmm. I take the point that just putting a valve in the preamp doesn't necessarily guarantee a valve amp sound. All the reviews I have read of the Markbass Tube say it seems to make no difference at all. However, it works pretty well on my old Vox guitar amp and I hear good things about the Orange Terror, whereas some of the "tube" amp emulations on my Positive Grid Spark are horrible. Maybe I need to put my prejudice against emulation to one side but I'll wait until somebody puts up a positive review before I am fully convinced. If Laney have got it right, they are onto a winning formula with the amps IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno1981 Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 30/06/2021 at 19:30, Obrienp said: All that weight (7KG) and no valves? I agree. This comment sticks out to me as it really shows how times change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrienp Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 35 minutes ago, jonno1981 said: I agree. This comment sticks out to me as it really shows how times change! True. I’ve got spoilt by solid state amps that weigh 3-4 kg, or less. I can’t remember how much my Sound City 120 weighed. It didn’t bother me when I was young. I guess the SVT 300 Classic puts it in perspective: 80 lbs, that’s a bit over 36 kg and 2 foot wide! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 Yeah, after carrying around 2 & 3kg Class D amps my Ashdown ABM600 at 13kgs seems a task - how times have changed, that would have been featherweight back in the 80s when I started playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 There's no 15" cab... Why? Two 4x10 configurations, a 2x12 and an 8x10. But no 15s.... Why? I'd have thought this was the most popular cab config, but obviously I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 4 hours ago, uk_lefty said: There's no 15" cab... Why? Two 4x10 configurations, a 2x12 and an 8x10. But no 15s.... Why? I'd have thought this was the most popular cab config, but obviously I'm wrong. Yeah, not sure 15" rule the roost any more. I've just had one 15" cab in the past decade. The rest have been 212, 112, 410 and 210. My fav is the 212, but for convenience I use a 112. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 4 hours ago, uk_lefty said: There's no 15" cab... Why? Two 4x10 configurations, a 2x12 and an 8x10. But no 15s.... Why? I'd have thought this was the most popular cab config, but obviously I'm wrong. I would've thought a nice 1x12 would've been a sensible option, the 500W head and 2 1x12s would be a sensible, modular setup. I actually asked if anything like that was in the post, but no, not for a while at least, the range is cooked and done. Eude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Yeah, not sure 15" rule the roost any more. I've just had one 15" cab in the past decade. The rest have been 212, 112, 410 and 210. My fav is the 212, but for convenience I use a 112. Am sure they've done their research and I reckon it's the portability thing. Everyone seems to do 12s. Personally I like a 15 or two but they didn't ask me so... Their loss? 🤔 Edited July 2, 2021 by uk_lefty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 (edited) I would have liked a 1x18 and a 1x12 speaker in a single enclosure with an internal crossover to deliver full range response but that is because I have been looking at old Trace Elliot brochures and have lost all sense of reason and sanity. Edited July 4, 2021 by thodrik 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassmanPaul Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 In my mind a 12 and an 18 would be a horrible muddy thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 26/06/2021 at 21:38, BassmanPaul said: All I see is the same old, same old stuff that manufacturers have been marketing for decades. The tone, full of distortion, is what I spent years trying to get away from! That said I do like how they actually look. Are the speakers referred to as HH the same manufacturer as the old IC100 range of amplifiers? Laney HH Studiomaster are all part of the same group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 2 hours ago, BassmanPaul said: In my mind a 12 and an 18 would be a horrible muddy thing. You are right, probably need a bright box on top of that cab. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 25/06/2021 at 16:15, Matt P said: it's where Laney first started out i believe. The more I think about this range the more I like the name. Rather than trying to be flash and glamorous they’re going with their heritage, well done to them, and I hope it proves successful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 9 hours ago, Lozz196 said: The more I think about this range the more I like the name. Rather than trying to be flash and glamorous they’re going with their heritage, well done to them, and I hope it proves successful. Me too, I'm tempted. Well priced as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassmanPaul Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 On 02/07/2021 at 12:53, Chienmortbb said: Laney HH Studiomaster are all part of the same group. Thank you sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted July 18, 2021 Author Share Posted July 18, 2021 New Andertons video: I must say they really have nailed the aesthetics for me, they look great. And sound great too to be fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bam Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Merton said: New Andertons video: I must say they really have nailed the aesthetics for me, they look great. And sound great too to be fair I agree. If theres any heft to those (and not just tone) that's a winner! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirellithecat Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Nice - am I right in thinking that they are made in China, like so many other models. I wonder whether there's a "gap" in the market for a new UK built amp and what the real increase in costs would be? I'd certainly be more interested if that were the case .......... ...... I'll get my coat ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted July 18, 2021 Author Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Pirellithecat said: Nice - am I right in thinking that they are made in China, like so many other models. I wonder whether there's a "gap" in the market for a new UK built amp and what the real increase in costs would be? I'd certainly be more interested if that were the case .......... ...... I'll get my coat ....... No idea TBH. Ashdown still build their flagship amps and cabs in the UK and I suspect when Barefaced join the market they will too. But no idea about Laney… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrienp Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 After watching that I am going to have to eat my words. It’s still not clear if it actually has a valve in the tube circuit but it sounded pretty amazing through headphones. I feel the GAS coming on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted July 18, 2021 Author Share Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Obrienp said: After watching that I am going to have to eat my words. It’s still not clear if it actually has a valve in the tube circuit but it sounded pretty amazing through headphones. I feel the GAS coming on! I’m 95% sure there’s no tube at all, it’s just emulation; the spec sheets don’t make any reference to a valve type and normally you’d expect that to be shouted from the rooftops. Certainly the preamp pedal doesn’t, so I’d be surprised if they’d separately developed that without. Happy to be proven wrong though… I’m seriously toying with the idea of the 500W head and 212 cab as my new “big rig” for a new band…. Edited July 18, 2021 by Merton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bam Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, Merton said: I’m 95% sure there’s no tune at all, it’s just emulation; the spec sheets don’t make any reference to a valve type and normally you’d expect that to be shouted from the rooftops. Certainly the preamp pedal doesn’t, so I’d be surprised if they’d separately developed that without. Happy to be proven wrong though… I’m seriously toying with the idea of the 500W head and 212 cab as my new “big rig” for a new band…. That 4x10 off set vertical looks ace too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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