Judas Priest's Rocka Rolla: Hard Rock or Heavy Metal?

[Killed_by_Death]

 

Having an active 'discussion' about the fact that J.P. are claiming they've been producing Heavy Metal for 50 years...

 

[hiram.k.hackenbacker]

Wikipedia says they are 'heavy metal' and everyone who is anyone knows that if its on Wikipedia, it must be correct 😬

[Killed_by_Death]

 

That doesn't mean every song they ever wrote or every album they ever produced was Heavy Metal. Listen to Evening Star & tell me it's Heavy Metal.

 

[hiram.k.hackenbacker]

  On 01/07/2021 at 19:43, Killed_by_Death said:

That doesn't mean every song they ever wrote or every album they ever produced was Heavy Metal. Listen to Evening Star & tell me it's Heavy Metal.

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Ah, I have no personal opinion. I was just quoting the font of all knowledge. It's all music to me 😀

[hiram.k.hackenbacker]

....some of it I like, some of it I don't 🤷‍♂️

[Killed_by_Death]

 

I had forsaken them for years, after they released Turbo, but then they redeemed themselves with Painkiller. Iron Maiden were lost forever, however.

 

[hiram.k.hackenbacker]

  On 01/07/2021 at 19:47, Killed_by_Death said:

I had forsaken them for years, after they released Turbo, but then they redeemed themselves with Painkiller. Iron Maiden were lost forever, however.

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....were you "Losfer Words"? 😂

[Killed_by_Death]

 

That was their last album I enjoyed, Powerslave

 

[Killed_by_Death]

 

I.M. are keeping guitar players around for charity's sake now, it seems

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[Nail Soup]

I'm not an expert, but I found an "Old Grey Whistle Test" version.

The photo evidence suggests hard rock:

(and to my inexpert ears I'd say it sounded more like hard rock)

[Killed_by_Death]

 

J,P. are like Motörhead, in that their original lineup is NOT the lineup everyone came to love.

Allan Atkins formed the first Judas Priest:

 

[DawnPatroller]

  On 01/07/2021 at 19:50, Killed_by_Death said:

 

That was their last album I enjoyed, Powerslave

 

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Powerslave is the last Maiden album you enjoyed? 

[DawnPatroller]

  On 01/07/2021 at 19:55, Nail Soup said:

I'm not an expert, but I found an "Old Grey Whistle Test" version.

The photo evidence suggests hard rock:

(and to my inexpert ears I'd say it sounded more like hard rock)

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Did you see that BBC programme over Christmas, they showed lots of footage from broadcast performances of heavy metal, had Budgie and all sorts. It was a real treat to watch. I think it was late on Boxing Day evening, or maybe after they aired Metallica at Glastonbury.. Anyway, it was great, they showed this Priest performance, I'm sure of it. 

[Killed_by_Death]

 

I.M. just wrecked my love for them with their keyboard-infused stuff after Powerslave.

However, I thought Geoff Nichols used keyboards tastefully in Black Sabbath.

Looking at the credits for those I.M. albums states Guitar Synthesizer, I was sure it was actually keyboards, but anyway, I did NOT like it, at all.

 

[hiram.k.hackenbacker]

  On 01/07/2021 at 20:08, Killed_by_Death said:

I.M. just wrecked my love for them with their keyboard-infused stuff after Powerslave.

However, I thought Geoff Nichols used keyboards tastefully in Black Sabbath.

Looking at the credits for those I.M. albums states Guitar Synthesizer, I was sure it was actually keyboards, but anyway, I did NOT like it, at all.

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Where do you stand on Motörhead with added piano?

[Killed_by_Death]

 

I don't recall any piano in MH's songs, but I know I hated, Hated, HATED it when Metallica did a song with a piano wizard on television.

 

[hiram.k.hackenbacker]

  On 01/07/2021 at 20:12, Killed_by_Death said:

I don't recall any piano in MH's songs, but I know I hated, Hated, HATED it when Metallica did a song with a piano wizard on television.

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Another Perfect Day has a few piano inclusive tracks courtesy of Robbo - bless him.

[Killed_by_Death]

 

Robbo, the misfit:

Lem wrote that he would turn up to gigs with ballet slippers on.

 

[Painy]

  On 01/07/2021 at 20:12, Killed_by_Death said:

 

I don't recall any piano in MH's songs.....

 

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[hiram.k.hackenbacker]

  On 01/07/2021 at 20:18, Killed_by_Death said:

 

Robbo, the misfit:

Lem wrote that he would turn up to gigs with ballet slippers on.

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That quote surfaces every now and again and people tend to take it to the letter.

I met Robbo at the time he was still part of Motörhead. We staggered out of The Marquee Club in Wardour Street together and he was wearing his 'ballet shoes' then. Except they weren't ever ballet shoes, they were espadrilles. Lemmy took to calling them 'ballet shoes' and it stuck.

EDIT: Apparently he did wear a pink tutu and ballet shoes for one gig as a joke - just to wind up the Hell's angels - like you do 🙄

Edited July 1, 2021 by hiram.k.hackenbacker

[bode]

  On 01/07/2021 at 20:08, Killed_by_Death said:

 

I.M. just wrecked my love for them with their keyboard-infused stuff after Powerslave.

However, I thought Geoff Nichols used keyboards tastefully in Black Sabbath.

Looking at the credits for those I.M. albums states Guitar Synthesizer, I was sure it was actually keyboards, but anyway, I did NOT like it, at all.

 

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I struggle with anything after Somewhere in Time. But I will add Kiss to the debate. How the he'll did they get into heavy metal circles? It's pop music!

Metal bands with keyboards is heading into prog rock territory. But then what are Van Halen? 😕

Edited July 1, 2021 by bode

[Killed_by_Death]

  On 01/07/2021 at 20:41, bode said:

add Kiss to the debate. How the he'll did they get into heavy metal circles.

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This is sort of how I got into a long long 'discussion' on another forum about how FUBAR the identification of bands as Heavy Metal is, because people just label anything harder than The Beatles as Heavy Metal.

KISS had a Glam Metal period, but Dynasty & Music from the Elder should cancel any H.M. credit they're due.

 

  On 01/07/2021 at 20:41, hiram.k.hackenbacker said:

they were espadrilles.

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Was he also wearing Capri pants?

😀

[hiram.k.hackenbacker]

  On 01/07/2021 at 20:46, Killed_by_Death said:

KISS had a Glam Metal period, but Dynasty & Music from the Elder should cancel any H.M. credit they're due.

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Kiss were not, are not and never will be heavy metal. Good time rock and roll band yes. Heavy metal - no.

[Killed_by_Death]

 

I firmly believe it was the media's fault in the U.S. concert flyers featured the term Heavy Metal, even for a band like KISS (in the 70s).

I remember an interview with Page where they asked how he felt about Led Zeppelin being labeled Heavy Metal, he kind of shrugged & seemed reluctant to answer it was fine with him.

He was probably milling around the idea of a load of 'Heavy Metal' fans halting their purchase of L.Z. albums if he said L.Z. were NOT H.M.

The magazines back then were touting everything as Heavy Metal, Aerosmith, RUSH, etc..

 

[Killed_by_Death]

  On 01/07/2021 at 20:50, hiram.k.hackenbacker said:

Kiss were not, are not and never will be heavy metal.

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Listen to Animalize, 111% Heavy Metal

I saw them live with Kulick at the infamous Troubadour in Hollywood & they were Heavy Metal at that time, as well.