Lfalex v1.1 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 I keep seeing non matching P pickups in 5ers. It's one half does 3 strings, the other does 2. Sure, they work fine, but they look squiffy. Would it be possible (body rout permitting) to fit two "3-string" pickup halves to a bass, shortening the magnets so they no longer cover the A string polepieces for one pick up half? (so it doesn't get twice the output) Is shortening the magnets enough? Would it necessitate a re-wind around only the G&D polepieces? Save me from my OCD, Basschat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 I count myself fortunate that stuff like this does not bother me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikay Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 How about a quad coil soapbar? The Bartolini P2 can be configured as regular P or reverse P - https://bartolini.net/product/xxp25c/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Geek99 said: I count myself fortunate that stuff like this does not bother me You are very fortunate, CDO (I have to put the letters alphabetically) is a rotten affliction for some of us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) I’m sure, that’s exactly what I meant. I’m grateful that I don’t suffer from it as I imagine it would be maddening. My partner moans if things are slightly wonky on a washing line, or they are hung upside down to how you’d wear them. It really doesn’t matter Edited July 9, 2021 by Geek99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 How about fitting (and routing for) a conventional 4 string pickup of 2+2, acknowledging that the B string is a thumb rest? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) Certainly possible, I am guessing there isn't a big enough market of people who think it is a problem. I kind of like the offset thing, especially on an offset bass Or you could get a 6 string P pickup and just have it sticking out at the end, would that be better? Edited July 9, 2021 by Woodinblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: Certainly possible, I am guessing there isn't a big enough market of people who think it is a problem. I kind of like the offset thing, especially on an offset bass Or you could get a 6 string P pickup and just have it sticking out at the end, would that be better? As long as they don't have visible circular polepieces, yes! 🤣 Blades or blank covers would be fine! Looking at my own collection of instruments, I have one with a 4 string P, and it's in the loft. The rest are a mix of soapbars, single coils, TwinJazz and MMHB. None have exposed polepieces. Its not by design, but nor is it coincidence 🤔 Edited July 9, 2021 by Lfalex v1.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Do you mean the size of the parts or the different number of pole pieces? If the latter - just tape over them. Nothing more to see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted July 9, 2021 Author Share Posted July 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, fretmeister said: Do you mean the size of the parts or the different number of pole pieces? If the latter - just tape over them. Nothing more to see! Either/Both! I think I've seen some with equal-sized halves, but 2 less polepieces; they're less offensive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Lfalex v1.1 said: I keep seeing non matching P pickups in 5ers. It's one half does 3 strings, the other does 2. Sure, they work fine, but they look squiffy. Would it be possible (body rout permitting) to fit two "3-string" pickup halves to a bass, shortening the magnets so they no longer cover the A string polepieces for one pick up half? (so it doesn't get twice the output) Is shortening the magnets enough? Would it necessitate a re-wind around only the G&D polepieces? Save me from my OCD, Basschat! Would probably sound really strange... the A string would effectively have a weak humbucker pickup and the other four strings would have standard single coils My OCD wants the strings to sound like they are all on the same instrument! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 Form-v-function...always a tough one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Geek99 said: I’m sure, that’s exactly what I meant. I’m grateful that I don’t suffer from it as I imagine it would be maddening. My partner moans if things are slightly wonky on a washing line, or they are hung upside down to how you’d wear them. It really doesn’t matter Thankfully I don’t have a washing lube or that would be added to the list. You’re right it doesn’t matter, but it would bug me rotten until I’d dealt with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) Isn’t the answer for this simple ? Three sets of pole pieces per pup half, the A gets two sets under it, one half are dummy. But you get visual symmetry Edited July 10, 2021 by Geek99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 On 09/07/2021 at 17:04, Lfalex v1.1 said: Save me from my OCD, Basschat! Above our pay grade, I'm afraid. Try to remember that music is not a visual artform. If it sounds right, it is right. If that doesn't help, seek professional psychiatric assistance. It will likely improve other areas of your life, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Man, it's lopsided already on a 4 banger so why not accept a little more as par for the course and worry about which shoes match your shirt and bass best instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Because they can’t accept that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba_the_gut Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 I fitted this Delano pickup in a mini bass for @owen recently and I like that the two halve are the same size (they're the same size as a standard P if I remember right). Satisfies my OCD for things being balanced/in line, etc.!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 13 hours ago, Dan Dare said: Above our pay grade, I'm afraid. Try to remember that music is not a visual artform. If it sounds right, it is right. If that doesn't help, seek professional psychiatric assistance. It will likely improve other areas of your life, too. Strictly, music on its own isn't, but the whole performance and spectacle of the music, how its presented, the bits of banter in between each song, the visuals, "the show" certainly makes a difference to the perception of how its received. I remember way back in my uni days a number of bands playing at the Student Union. We saw it all - some terrible free bands on Sunday evenings and some brilliant stuff. For the start of term/year party, they could afford a decent pro band and the guitarist and bassist used matching wireless rigs with matching height amp/cabinet stacks and matching aerials on top, for example. I imported a Fender Jazz from Japan and it needed to be subtly modified to more closely blend in with the "black" of the band (our shoes, shirts and trousers were black; all accessories such as music stand, stand covers, instrument stand etc was too) (it is a big band so I'm allowed to read music at gigs). With everything in black except for the brass/sax instruments in their shiny polished brass finish, it adds a little sparkle and professionalism. My OCD treatment is going well, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Jabba_the_gut said: I fitted this Delano pickup in a mini bass for @owen recently and I like that the two halve are the same size (they're the same size as a standard P if I remember right). Satisfies my OCD for things being balanced/in line, etc.!!! Beautiful - I am getting into mini-basses (for my GF) - what is the scale length of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba_the_gut Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, paul_c2 said: Beautiful - I am getting into mini-basses (for my GF) - what is the scale length of this? I think it was 23”. Mini basses are great! Ive built a few - details are in the Build Diaries. Really enjoy playing them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 hours ago, Jabba_the_gut said: I fitted this Delano pickup in a mini bass for @owen recently and I like that the two halve are the same size (they're the same size as a standard P if I remember right). Satisfies my OCD for things being balanced/in line, etc.!!! Having a look at the P pickups I have here, one in an ibanez Talman (budget as hell), and one in a Maruszczyk which is a Nordstrand P5, but before that was either a hausel or delano, not sure (probably the former), they were all equal sizes - I didn't even check with the replacement to see if it fit but it did. Is it not normal that both halves are the same size, I think the issue is you just want another dummy polepiece on the side that only has 2. Couldn't you just stick a silver dot on the half that has 2? Actually thinking about it the original Hausel pickup in my P didn't have pole pieces. Can't find a pic of my hausels, but here are some delanos, would this not be ok? https://www.delano.de/pc_5_he_m2/pc_5_he_m2_details.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPJ Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) Bartolini five string P pickups are in equal sized shells for those of us who suffer from OCD 😎 Edited July 23, 2021 by JPJ To add explanatory photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Last fiver I saw with P pickups had both shells the same size, one with only four poles. But that makes the two halves of the pickup different in windings or sensitivity. My OCD would want a six-stringer with two six pole pickups. Better still, like my one fiver - sensiblejazz pickups with ten poles 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) AFAICS the design of the P-Bass split pickup requires an even number of strings to make it work effectively (and look right). In order for it to act as a humbucker but without the loss of extreme top end characterised by guitar humbuckers which have both coils under all the strings, it has one coil detecting the E and A and the other the D and G strings. The off-set split nature also allows a "fatter" wind of the coils similar to the guitar P90 pickup. Unfortunately as soon as you try to design a version of the split P pickup for an odd number of strings you run into all sorts of problems both technical and aesthetic. The best aesthetic solution I can see would be to use a "soap bar" cover and have whatever coil arrangement you want hidden underneath. Unless you need to be able to adjust the pole-pieces there is absolutely no reason have them visible. However if having the split off-set pickup shape is an important part of the over all look of the instrument this might not be acceptable. In that case it's just a question of finding the least offensive looking (to you) solution of all of those already mentioned above. However none of these solutions address what is happening electronically and magnetically with a split pickup working with an odd number of strings. In order for the pickup to be perfectly humbucking both coils must be equal but opposite in polarity, but what do you do when one coil covers an extra string compared with the other. The strength of the pickup depends on the strength of the magnets, the number of coils of wire and the overall resistance. And here's the problem. IIRC the resistance of both halves being equal is the important factor in making the whole pickup hum-cancelling, but the number of coils in each half dictates the tonal characteristics and output level of the pickup. When both halves work for the same number of strings everything balances out, but as soon as one half has to deal with one extra string either the whole pickup will no longer be completely hum-cancelling or the tonal and output level of the halves will not be identical. Putting both halves underneath the centre (A) string means that the tonal and output characteristics of that string will be different to the others. The only solution I can see would be for both halves to be the same (3 string) size, but instead of having them overlap in the middle, would be to have the half only detecting two strings to stick up or down beyond the lowest or highest string. But then you're back to poor aesthetics again... Edited July 24, 2021 by BigRedX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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