Hobbayne Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Well, Here it is Beatle fans. A brand new mix removing all of Phil Spectors sludge. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, Hobbayne said: ... What do you think? ... Why..? Just 'Why'..? Why can't folk just let it be..? T'was never a splendid song in the first place, Spector or not. I don't hear much difference anyway, certainly nothing that now makes it worth playing. Beatles fan..? Up to a point, yes, I am, but not for this stuff. Weak before, it's weak now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 40 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: Why..? Just 'Why'..? Why can't folk just let it be..? T'was never a splendid song in the first place, Spector or not. I don't hear much difference anyway, certainly nothing that now makes it worth playing. Beatles fan..? Up to a point, yes, I am, but not for this stuff. Weak before, it's weak now. 'Weak'. LOLz I think it's a great song (It's Let it Be, FFS) and I like the remix. If you like it, listen to it. If you don't, the old mix is still available. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 ...that said, I've always hated the drum part. Sorry, Ringo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Few years ago, they put out a Ramones 'Road To Ruin remix, stripping it back. Heard it, hated it. It just wasn't 'real'. For me, the original - albeit flawed in places - is, quite literally, what it is. You can't rewrite history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nail Soup Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, wateroftyne said: If you don't, the old mix is still available. And if the old mix becomes unavailable, most of have a reverb pedal or plug-in we can set to “max”👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Sounds good to me, a nice alternative to the original, but didn't they already do rhis a few years ago with Let It Be Naked? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, spongebob said: You can't rewrite history. True. But you can remix it. Edited August 26, 2021 by wateroftyne 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 47 minutes ago, Cosmo Valdemar said: Sounds good to me, a nice alternative to the original, but didn't they already do rhis a few years ago with Let It Be Naked? That's what I was thinking, this mix sounds very close to the 'Naked version. After hearing the naked version the original sounds dreadful. The original is bloated, crowded and pastey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 18 minutes ago, Marvin said: After hearing the naked version the original sounds dreadful. The original is bloated, crowded and pastey. Agreed. Weirdly, they haven't completely removed Spector's additions from the remixes, you can still hear the orchestra really low. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Works for me and I’m not a Beatles fan. Preston’s organ playing is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbayne Posted August 26, 2021 Author Share Posted August 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Cosmo Valdemar said: Agreed. Weirdly, they haven't completely removed Spector's additions from the remixes, you can still hear the orchestra really low. Wasnt it The Long & Winding Road that had the orchestra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 sounds great to me, Paul really shines through.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Hobbayne said: Wasnt it The Long & Winding Road that had the orchestra? Yeah, that REALLY had the orchestra! 😂 I'm thinking of 1:30 in Let it Be - maybe more brass. Although comparing it to the original it's not that much quieter after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Just listened to it. Sounds pretty good to me and I'm a Beatles fan. IMO it's a great song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyJohnson Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 hours ago, wateroftyne said: ...that said, I've always hated the drum part. Sorry, Ringo. I'm not really that much of a Beatles fan, but Ringo Starr is more a case of right place, right time. A mate of mine (and a Beatles fan) once said that his playing was 'clueless and uninspiring' and the the ability gap at the end was akin to having Meg White replace Mike Portnoy in Dream Theater. Chuckle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, NancyJohnson said: A mate of mine (and a Beatles fan) once said that his playing was 'clueless and uninspiring' TBH I think your mate is wrong, but that particular drum part is a stinker 50% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyJohnson Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 43 minutes ago, wateroftyne said: TBH I think your mate is wrong, but that particular drum part is a stinker 50% of the time. By a curious quirk in the space time continuum, 'A Day In the Life' just came up on a Spotify playlist. Considering this was what, five or six years into Ringo's time with the band and this (as a track) is several country miles ahead of Love Me Do, the drums are just awful and yes, I know this is only one song. To the casual listener (and perhaps non-muso), The Beatles are about melodies and words rather than the instrumentation. The drums on Let It Be really aren't that dissimilar to A Day In The Life; I know it's a ballad, but there's no attack or flair, it's peppered with those awful (lazy) tom fills, the loose hi-hats. Thing is, I don't have an answer as to an alternative and besides, it's never going to happen...the calibre of most modern rock drummers would leave Ringo Starr in their dust. Could you imagine Dave Grohl, Matt Cameron or Stewart Copeland playing on either of these? I could envisage Keith Moon, Clem Burke or maybe Roger Taylor doing it justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I thought Love Me Do was drummed by Andy White with Ringo on tambourine. IMO Ringo was a very good drummer. He changed the way drums could be played. Listen to all the drummers in the beat groups at the time, they were all playing bog-standard patterns. Ringo started to make his patterns more creative, and, probably helped by the others, came up with some great, different and original drumming. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 And let’s not forget this was 50 odd years ago. Sure drummers of today would do things differently/better, but that’s with the benefit of those 50 plus years of music to take inspiration from. Pretty much the same with Macca on bass, what The Beatles were doing back then was way ahead of the time, but judging them on todays standards & styles is pointless. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 hours ago, NancyJohnson said: By a curious quirk in the space time continuum, 'A Day In the Life' just came up on a Spotify playlist. Considering this was what, five or six years into Ringo's time with the band and this (as a track) is several country miles ahead of Love Me Do, the drums are just awful and yes, I know this is only one song. To the casual listener (and perhaps non-muso), The Beatles are about melodies and words rather than the instrumentation. The drums on Let It Be really aren't that dissimilar to A Day In The Life; I know it's a ballad, but there's no attack or flair, it's peppered with those awful (lazy) tom fills, the loose hi-hats. Thing is, I don't have an answer as to an alternative and besides, it's never going to happen...the calibre of most modern rock drummers would leave Ringo Starr in their dust. Could you imagine Dave Grohl, Matt Cameron or Stewart Copeland playing on either of these? I could envisage Keith Moon, Clem Burke or maybe Roger Taylor doing it justice. I like Ringo’s part on A Day In the Life - the song is off-the-wall, and it helps with the vibe. The fills are memorable. Let It Be’s just a mess. It’s like a rehearsal part where he tries something daft every few bars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Wow, I wish I could write a weak song as good as this one. 6 hours ago, NancyJohnson said: the the ability gap at the end was akin to having Meg White replace Mike Portnoy in Dream Theater. I would pay proper money to hear that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I picked this up today. It sounds just lovely. It's clearer, yes, but ballsier too. Top job from Giles Martin, I doff my cap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbayne Posted October 16, 2021 Author Share Posted October 16, 2021 13 hours ago, Doctor J said: I picked this up today. It sounds just lovely. It's clearer, yes, but ballsier too. Top job from Giles Martin, I doff my cap. Phil Spectors wall of sound has been toned down. It is still there but not quite as over the top as it was. A lot of people are asking why are all these albums being remixed? I dont mind. You have to bear in mind that the the originals were mixed 50 odd years ago to be played on the equipment available at the time. These days with more advanced technology, its great to hear them in high def. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, Hobbayne said: Phil Spectors wall of sound has been toned down. It is still there but not quite as over the top as it was. A lot of people are asking why are all these albums being remixed? I dont mind. You have to bear in mind that the the originals were mixed 50 odd years ago to be played on the equipment available at the time. These days with more advanced technology, its great to hear them in high def. I agree. There's some albums out there I'd love to be given the full 2021 treatment (as long as it's genuinely better). As an aside, sometimes even a simple bottom-up remix works wonders. In The Evening is one of my favourite Zeppelin songs, but it's murky as hell. The remix on the In Through the Out Door deluxe edition is a revelation (apart from the War of the Worlds synth part.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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