Nail Soup Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Does anyone know of an example on YT or whatever of the same group of musicians perform the same piece twice.... once in ET and once in Just intonation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassace Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 21 hours ago, Lfalex v1.1 said: I made a music teacher cry once when I described one as a "Fretless Trumpet" There is such a thing as a slide trumpet tho’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, bassace said: There is such a thing as a slide trumpet tho’. Derail mode ON A few years ago, my Dad, who knows nowt about trumpets, opened a case at a car boot sale. It contained an odd-looking trumpet. He thought it might be interesting, so paid the £15 asking price, took it home, made a few HONK noises with it, put it in the corner, and forgot about it. I spotted it one day, and decided to find out a bit about it. Eventually contacted a museum in London who confirmed it was a very rare Pace slide trumpet, and directed me to an expert - in fact, the chap who played the trumpet theme on Antiques Roadshow. He was performing in Newcastle a few months later, so we arranged to meet him. He took it out of the case, put it together and played something beautiful. He bought it on the spot. Derail mode OFF 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 34 minutes ago, wateroftyne said: He bought it on the spot. So you got your £15 back? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 21 hours ago, ubit said: ... Les Dawson on acid. Do you have a link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekomatic Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 9 hours ago, jrixn1 said: Here's an example of microtonality in a piece with otherwise conventional harmony. The phrase starts at 1:31 and he slips in a cheeky quarter tone at 1:34. https://youtu.be/K28H04Y2IdE?t=91 I bet I know who that is… (follows link) yep! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 In keyboard world and guitar world, equal temprement does it's thing and it is fine. In my experinece, playing a fretted bass with an orchestra, very few of whom are tied to equal temprament, means quite a lot of bending notes to fit in where they "should" be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, owen said: In keyboard world and guitar world, equal temprement does it's thing and it is fine. In my experinece, playing a fretted bass with an orchestra, very few of whom are tied to equal temprament, means quite a lot of bending notes to fit in where they "should" be. Do you ''tune'' it a bit flat and bend like mad or put up with ET when it's a bit sharp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekomatic Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 22 hours ago, zbd1960 said: A relatively common example of just intonation still in sue is barbershop quartet singing - that's why the chords really 'ping' since for example the fifths are a 3:2 ratio. I never knew this, and went off in search of more information. It turns out to be even more complicated than that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekomatic Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 17 hours ago, Nail Soup said: Does anyone know of an example on YT or whatever of the same group of musicians perform the same piece twice.... once in ET and once in Just intonation? Not off the top of my head, but have a look for Christopher Stembridge (and maybe others) playing the chromatic harpsichord, on which some of the keys are split in half and one side plays a note tuned according to one keynote while the other side plays the ‘same’ note but in a different key. It sounds proper weird. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 16 hours ago, Woodinblack said: So you got your £15 back? With a bit of interest 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 11 hours ago, Downunderwonder said: Do you ''tune'' it a bit flat and bend like mad or put up with ET when it's a bit sharp? Honestly, it is a long time since I did it, but I was bending notes up "almost" a semitone or sharpening slightly to make it happen. Sometimes pressing the string really hard into the fret was enough to make the difference. But it was definitely a thing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodwind Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, nekomatic said: Not off the top of my head, but have a look for Christopher Stembridge (and maybe others) playing the chromatic harpsichord, on which some of the keys are split in half and one side plays a note tuned according to one keynote while the other side plays the ‘same’ note but in a different key. It sounds proper weird. Wow sounds amazing! Thanks for the heads up, will investigate now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunion Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 I play mainly fretted but am pushing forward on fretless too. I’m the words of Tony Franklin on fretless sometimes you’ll play it wrong but if you play it with conviction it will be ok so I now play off notes on both bass’ and blame everyone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, Bunion said: play it with conviction The MD actually encouraged me to let rip and right note be damned when I joined the band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leonard Smalls Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Here's the master of micro-tonal... His band Screaming Headless Torsos groove like muthas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Here's the most interesting video concerning the difference between 4 ways to tune a guitar (and also microtonal guitar) including the Equal Temperament and the Just Intonation. If you don't want to hear without knowing what is what, go straight to 3:32 and you'll get all the explanations needed. It's a part of a Bach piece, by the way. Check this YouTube channel for microtonal guitar, it's a gold mine... Maybe time to listen to music differently... 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 On 06/09/2021 at 15:52, Nail Soup said: Does anyone know of an example on YT or whatever of the same group of musicians perform the same piece twice.... once in ET and once in Just intonation? Check just before, here is what you asked for @Nail Soup ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 55 minutes ago, Hellzero said: Here's the most interesting video concerning the difference between 4 ways to tune a guitar (and also microtonal guitar) including the Equal Temperament and the Just Intonation. I was quite surprised that Equal temperament sounded the best to me (just edging the 4th) and Just temperament sounded awful, I wouldn't have expected that at all. Maybe its just what I am used to. The last one was also almost as good - good old Werkmeister IIIrd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamg67 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 I know there are loads of examples of this, but I came across this one not long ago 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 23 hours ago, Woodinblack said: I was quite surprised that Equal temperament sounded the best to me (just edging the 4th) and Just temperament sounded awful, I wouldn't have expected that at all. Maybe its just what I am used to. The last one was also almost as good - good old Werkmeister IIIrd! Funny, because the Just Intonation tuning sounds perfect to my ears as there are no more notes wobbling. To my ears it's a delight, but it's something I know for as long as I can remember. Next Thursday I'm starting to learn the piano (which is the epitome of Equal Temperament tuning) : wish me luck as I think the intervals will hurt my ears. My teacher has perfect pitch, so it will be great fun. That said I know a piano tuner who tunes the pianos his way (he's a master conservatory singer) and it's closer to the Just Intonation than the Equal Temperament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hellzero said: Funny, because the Just Intonation tuning sounds perfect to my ears as there are no more notes wobbling. To my ears it's a delight, but it's something I know for as long as I can remember. Next Thursday I'm starting to learn the piano (which is the epitome of Equal Temperament tuning) : wish me luck as I think the intervals will hurt my ears. Maybe that is why - I learned with the piano, so maybe that is why the just sounds so bad to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamg67 Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hellzero said: …That said I know a piano tuner who tunes the pianos his way (he's a master conservatory singer) and it's closer to the Just Intonation than the Equal Temperament. Isn’t that only possible for some keys? I mean key signatures, not physical keys. If you get closer to just in one key, you’re getting further away in another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted September 8, 2021 Share Posted September 8, 2021 20 minutes ago, adamg67 said: Isn’t that only possible for some keys? I mean key signatures, not physical keys. If you get closer to just in one key, you’re getting further away in another? Theoretically yes, but when I hear someone playing a piano he has tuned, I feel good, whatever the key signature is. He has been tuning pianos for schools, privates, festivals, classical musicians, jazz musicians, ... and each time a piano he has tuned is played, you can see a smile on the player face on the first notes. I have no other explanations, but I'll start learning the usual way, for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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