cheddatom Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Just a few experiences in favour of amps and volume... I'm playing drums in a 2 piece band. The guitarist uses a submarine pickup through an octaver for the bass sound. He always struggles to hear his own vocals, so I set us up a "silent" rehearsal rig. Both of us used in-ears for vocals, bass and guitar, with only the drums making any real noise. We thought it was brilliant. One day, when setting up a big rig to record his guitars for the album (stereo guitar rig, full stack for the bass sound), we thought it'd be good to have a jam with it. The vocals went back through the PA, our ear plugs went back in, and F*&K ME we both said, this is awesome. We've not gone back to the in-ears My main band have an Xair-18 which we bought to record our album in a bigger, more covid-secure room. Our guitarist has always used his POD and recently bought a fancy new modelling pedal. He's really into the idea of a quiet stage. Again, the singer struggles to hear himself on stage sometimes. The bassist always used a small TC combo. He's been talking about getting a new amp all year, and at first I was trying to convince him to go ampless, but there was no way. We played a festival where they had an Ashdown Rootmaster into an 8x10 on stage, and it had us grinning at each other the whole set. So, he bought a Rootmaster, and a Barefaced 4 x 10. We had our first rehearsal with it last night and F&(K ME we both said. Maybe this is just the drummer's point of view, but with a great big bass sound, everything is grooving better 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Just goes to show that you really can't beat moving a bit of air. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, Skybone said: Just goes to show that you really can't beat moving a bit of air. Absolutely. Spending lockdown rehearsing/playing with bands via Jamulus with headphones on made me swear never to get involved in any "silent stage" nonsense. It was better than nothing (just) but soulless and unsatisfying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StickyDBRmf Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Moving Air. I always refer to it like that when I talk to people about when I can practice w/out those darn headphones. My old rig was two Cerwin Vega 2x12s. THAT moved air (but not like an 8x10). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Skybone said: Just goes to show that you really can't beat moving a bit of air. Definitely. In my band we wear earplugs as the drummer is just so loud (my ACS plugs deal with this tho) but I can feel the air from the rehearsal rooms 810, it’s very satisfying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 19 hours ago, Skybone said: Just goes to show that you really can't beat moving a bit of air. Trouser flapping goodness 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 I used to gig with a bi-amped rig and an Akai Unibass pedal. The highs went to a 4x12 cab, the lows to a 2x15 cab and the distorted octave up plus a fifth above went to a Line6 guitar amp. Absolutely rediculous... ... but immense. 🙂👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, Skybone said: Just goes to show that you really can't beat moving a bit of air. Actually what you can't beat is a decent song that sounds good at low volume. Pretty much anything can be made to sound exciting when it is loud. Edited September 30, 2021 by BigRedX 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aDx Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 used to run 4 x 18" cabs, 2 x 4x12" cabs and 2 x marshall 100w heads... it made people Sh*t their pants and cry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Totally agree. I'm doing a lot of gigs without in ears at the moment and I'm enjoying being able to crank up my amp a bit, old school style. Having said that, I still like having an amp behind me when I'm using in ears, for a bit more feel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 8 hours ago, aDx said: used to run 4 x 18" cabs, 2 x 4x12" cabs and 2 x marshall 100w heads... it made people Sh*t their pants and cry! The infamous brown sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapiro Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 8 hours ago, BigRedX said: Actually what you can't beat is a decent song that sounds good at low volume. Pretty much anything can be made to sound exciting when it is loud. Im with you. In ears allow us to sound bloody good because there's no ambient amp noise and no bleed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aDx Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 9 hours ago, MacDaddy said: The infamous brown sound? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 18 hours ago, BigRedX said: Actually what you can't beat is a decent song that sounds good at low volume. Pretty much anything can be made to sound exciting when it is loud. 9 hours ago, gapiro said: Im with you. In ears allow us to sound bloody good because there's no ambient amp noise and no bleed! Whilst I love the sound & feel of big amps going (they don`t have to be massively loud tho, just to drums level) I have to admit that since wearing ear-plugs (ACS), which really reduce the volume of the whole band down, I can hear much more of what each instrument is doing and it does make rehearsing much more enjoyable. I`m yet to do a gig like this so can`t comment on that aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 I'm wearing custom moulded ear plugs with -30db filters in them. It's more about "feel" than sound. There's a connection between the low end coming out of the bass rig, and the bass drum, and it's just not there otherwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gafbass02 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I’ve just switched to iems and happily the foh sub is on my side of the stage, so I get a lovely mix of feels and hears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyJ Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I can totally get behind this, having tried an in-ear setup without amps on stage and going back to a 4x10 to move some air and properly "feel" my bass. Curious though: how did adding extra stage noise help both singers in any way? On 29/09/2021 at 10:50, cheddatom said: I'm playing drums in a 2 piece band. The guitarist uses a submarine pickup through an octaver for the bass sound. He always struggles to hear his own vocals On 29/09/2021 at 10:50, cheddatom said: Again, the singer struggles to hear himself on stage sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Section 4 - https://www.basschat.co.uk/topic/389429-the-iem-bible-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3944328 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@23 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Agreed. Not always the best option for the gig, but from a selfish point of view, way more fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveXFR Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I love playing loud at rehearsal. There's something satisfying about that wall of sound from 3 sets of big amps and a loud drummer. The cab contributes quite a lot to the sound, I think distortion sounds horrible if it doesn't go through a good cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Tinnitus is pretty banging too! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 4 hours ago, cheddatom said: I'm wearing custom moulded ear plugs with -30db filters in them. It's more about "feel" than sound. There's a connection between the low end coming out of the bass rig, and the bass drum, and it's just not there otherwise Which ones have -30dB filters? All the ones I've seen are between 15 & 20dB, which is one reason why I've never gone down the custom route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman666 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) You can get to the same place by listening on headphones but feeding the low end to a subwoofer. Edited October 15, 2021 by Musicman666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted October 18, 2021 Author Share Posted October 18, 2021 I missed some of these replies sorry. I'm not sure how it helped the singers, but they both preferred it My -30db plugs are ACS I think the wearable subs and in-ears thing misses the point of the room. I've tried the P&D drum throne with built in sub. It's pretty cool but it's not the same. I think there's something happening in the time domain but it's very difficult to define Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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