Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 Sorry - the clear note is when plucked between third and nut found a reference measure of .07mm at fret 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 That's some pretty exotic tapping. I now have precisely no idea what's problematic. Do over time. If you play it and report which notes have buzz maybe all will become clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just so I understand it correctly, if you set the neck dead straight with the strings at tension and 2.5 mm gap at the 12th fret , what happens then ?, by rights you should get no buzz anywhere unless there is a fret problem , all my basses are set at about 1.5 with no buzz unless they are played hard 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 My Fenders are at 2mm at 12th fret and neck very very slightly concave but i play quite hard live. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) I think I have a ski jump most strings buzz from 15th up with 2.5mm at 12th . Relief is .3 at eighth with 1 and last fret held my stingray clone is down to 1.75 mm at 12th and it’s the same radius - so it can work unless it’s one high / low fret around 13 Edited October 17, 2021 by Geek99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 38 minutes ago, Reggaebass said: Just so I understand it correctly, if you set the neck dead straight with the strings at tension and 2.5 mm gap at the 12th fret , what happens then ?, by rights you should get no buzz anywhere unless there is a fret problem , all my basses are set at about 1.5 with no buzz unless they are played hard 🙂 I’ll try that - by dead straight you mean no relief at all so the string is resting on fret 8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, Geek99 said: I’ll try that - by dead straight you mean no relief at all so the string is resting on fret 8? With the neck straight and no relief your strings shouldn’t be touching anywhere if your saddles at the bridge are set right 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Reggaebass said: With the neck straight and no relief your strings shouldn’t be touching anywhere if your saddles at the bridge are set right 🙂 Clarification- strings touching fret 8 when held down at first and last frets - is that what you meant ? i should have made my question clearer Edited October 17, 2021 by Geek99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 According to all you say and all you've tried, @Geek99, that's now obvious that your neck has the typical ski jump or heel raising. Go to a luthier and he will fix the problem quite quickly. It can go very fast or take a bit more time if he needs to remove the 3 or 4 last frets, dress the end of the neck, put the frets back, level them and crown them. Don't worry it's an easy job when you have the right tools and know what you're doing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Geek99 said: Clarification- strings touching fret 8 when held down at first and last frets - is that what you meant ? i should have made my question clearer Yeah basically, Sorry geek I have to go to work now, but if you set the neck straight and it still buzzes on the upper frets then it sounds like the heel is raising 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Reggaebass said: Yeah basically, Sorry geek I have to go to work now, but if you set the neck straight and it still buzzes on the upper frets then it sounds like the heel is raising 🙂 I’ll give it a shot tonight, thank you is heel raising something I can check with a straight edge ? Edited October 17, 2021 by Geek99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestar Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 hours ago, Geek99 said: I’ve set the relief to 0.3mm at the 12th and the upper frets are still buzzing unfretted distance at the 12th is approx 2.5mm wondering if the nut is badly cut ? I can get a clear note from each string when fretted at 3rd by pinging the string with my finger nail Relief is normally measured at the 7th/8th fret. 10 thou in my setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Geek99 said: I’ll give it a shot tonight, thank you is heel raising something I can check with a straight edge ? Should be able to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, lonestar said: Relief is normally measured at the 7th/8th fret. 10 thou in my setup You’re right - I meant eighth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Might be worth getting a decent luthier or shop to do a full set up if you're seeing so many issues with it. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestar Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, lonestar said: Edited October 17, 2021 by lonestar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestar Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 58 minutes ago, Geek99 said: You’re right - I meant eighth You could check the nut height: fret at 3rd fret and measure gap on first fret. It should be around .76mm or 3 thou in old money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, lonestar said: You could check the nut height: fret at 3rd fret and measure gap on first fret. It should be around .76mm or 3 thou in old money Isn’t that 0.076? I checked the fender specs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Geek99 said: Isn’t that 0.076? I checked the fender specs 0.08 mm There's no such thing as a thousandth of a millimetre in the real world 🙂 0.004 mm is about five wavelengths of deep red light. A 'hair's breadth' ranges from about 0.017 to 0.180 mm. A thousandth of an inch or 0.025 mm is a fairly demanding maximum precision when dealing with things made largely of wood. I used to know a very skilled engineer who once worked making piano mechanisms - they were the only wooden thing he ever dealt with that demanded 0.001" accuracy. I imagine people using ebony bearings on clocks (Harrison's Chronometers) would aspire to similar accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said: 0.08 mm There's no such thing as a thousandth of a millimetre in the real world 🙂 0.004 mm is about five wavelengths of deep red light. A 'hair's breadth' ranges from about 0.017 to 0.180 mm. A thousandth of an inch or 0.025 mm is a fairly demanding maximum precision when dealing with things made largely of wood. I used to know a very skilled engineer who once worked making piano mechanisms - they were the only wooden thing he ever dealt with that demanded 0.001" accuracy. I imagine people using ebony bearings on clocks (Harrison's Chronometers) would aspire to similar accuracy. Sure - it’s 0.08 I agree - I was just questioning lone star about his suggestion of 0.76mm in his post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonestar Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Geek99 said: Sure - it’s 0.08 I agree - I was just questioning lone star about his suggestion of 0.76mm in his post Sorry Got my point in the wrong place. Always do setups in imperial as I’m a fender man and my feeler gauges are ancient ! Edited October 17, 2021 by lonestar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 44 minutes ago, Geek99 said: Sure - it’s 0.08 I agree - I was just questioning lone star about his suggestion of 0.76mm in his post Just having a bit of fun under the affluence of whisky 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 32 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said: Just having a bit of fun under the affluence of whisky 🙂 No more whisky for me … or anything else been teetotal for three months now 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 Anyway - both my basses, one with acceptable action and the one in question here, which does not, have first fret clearances of 0.3mm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, dmccombe7 said: Might be worth getting a decent luthier or shop to do a full set up if you're seeing so many issues with it. Dave Money and time I’m afraid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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