SteveK Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jonesy said: Any idea why Dorsey isn't on it though? This quote from Tony Visconti: "If we'd used [Bowie's] former musicians they would be rock people playing jazz...Having jazz guys play rock music turns it upside down." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said: In much the same way as Zappa changed his band many times, so did Bowie. I totally get it. A different set of musicians gives a completely different sound. I also think that at the time of recording, getting the big names in for blocks of studios time (Visconti being the exception) wasn’t what was working for DB given his deteriorating health. Ah makes sense I guess seeing as time was against him. I gave Low a listen today too and liked the playing there. The Berlin trilogy are the 3 albums I had origianlly listened to completely. Thinking about it, that's wrong as I also own Let's Dance, so that makes 4 albums from his catalogue! Have you got any other live albums you'd suggest giving a go? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 20 hours ago, Jonesy said: ...I haven't listened to loads of Bowie and I've listened to even less of Bowie live... I wouldn't class myself as a Bowie "fan" but you really should listen to George Murrays playing on the "Stage" album. Him & Dennis Davis are one of my favourite rhythm sections of all time. The version of "Stay" on that album is jaw-droppingly good. The whole band on that album is just incredible, one of the best ever assembled IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Jonesy said: .. Oops. Double post. Edited November 10, 2021 by RhysP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrypF Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Jonesy, The BBC Theatre Live album is well worth tracking down. This is the version of 'Stay' that blows me away. Whole band is super tight but Gail Ann Dorsey is more on the money than the Queen's face. David certainly seems to think so at 2:35. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram.k.hackenbacker Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 hour ago, TrypF said: Jonesy, The BBC Theatre Live album is well worth tracking down. This is the version of 'Stay' that blows me away. Whole band is super tight but Gail Ann Dorsey is more on the money than the Queen's face. David certainly seems to think so at 2:35. The soon to be released Brilliant Adventure boxed set has an expanded version of the standard BBC disc from this gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooky_lowdown Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 A bit of trivia, the song Hero's is about Visconti and a backing singer he was seeing at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Riva Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 23 hours ago, Old Horse Murphy said: I love Carmine Rojas' playing on the Let's Dance album. To me that's ultimate Bowie Bass playing. My first proper case of GAS was after seeing Carmine Rojas play an ESP P/J bass on the Serious Moonlight tour. Up to that point I’d not seen a P/J configuration before. It was an amazing looking/sounding bass - with body, neck and headstock all finished in the same colour (black, I think). I think Earl Slick had the six string equivalent. Carmine Rojas also appeared with Nona Hendryx on Channel 4’s The Tube using the same bass a few years later. He also played with a pick, which I thought was pretty cool. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbuzz Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 For live versions of Stay, this is the one that does it for me. The end section is really cooking on gas. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram.k.hackenbacker Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 I'll throw this particularly fine version of Boys Keep Swinging into the mix. A smattering of guitar weirdness from Gabrels alongside a splendid Alomar. I've always liked Zach's take on the drum parts, although if push comes to shove, I'll take Sterling Campbell over Alford. Dorsey on bass for this one. Love it. The whole gig is available as audio only on You Tube. Search for "Bowie White Room '95". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 8 hours ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said: guitar weirdness Nice to see some Parker Fly geetars... Still use my PB51 bass! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nail Soup Posted November 11, 2021 Share Posted November 11, 2021 Another take on Visconti's role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted November 11, 2021 Author Share Posted November 11, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 15:06, RhysP said: I wouldn't class myself as a Bowie "fan" but you really should listen to George Murrays playing on the "Stage" album. Him & Dennis Davis are one of my favourite rhythm sections of all time. The version of "Stay" on that album is jaw-droppingly good. The whole band on that album is just incredible, one of the best ever assembled IMO. I do love BC for the endless recommendations and for being a deep pool of knowledge! There are a lot of great suggestions from everyone and I'm working my through them. I'm near the end of disc 1 of stage and the versions of The Jean Genie & Speed of Life have been the standouts so far. Looking forward to hearing Stay! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy Posted November 12, 2021 Author Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 23:05, paulbuzz said: For live versions of Stay, this is the one that does it for me. The end section is really cooking on gas. Before starting this thread I didn't know this Bowie tune, but it's an absolute cracker. 3 great versions of it so far, but I think this one is my favourite. Thanks again for all of the suggestions. On to White Room 95 next 😃 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram.k.hackenbacker Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Managed to pick these two up recently for a really good price along with some other Bowie goodness. As familiar as I am with ‘Stage’, it’s a different listening experience! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricksterphil Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 09/11/2021 at 21:57, Old Horse Murphy said: I love Carmine Rojas' playing on the Let's Dance album. To me that's ultimate Bowie Bass playing. Check out 'Criminal World' off that album for a stellar bass line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikNik Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 TV is quoted as saying that Bowie just left Ronno,Woody, and himself to create the album. TV's playing blew me away. I always suspected I could hear an EB3 with flats in there and in a conversation several years ago TV confirmed this, along with his modded P-bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikNik Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 On 10/11/2021 at 23:05, paulbuzz said: For live versions of Stay, this is the one that does it for me. The end section is really cooking on gas. I have never heard this version! I know Earl Slick was on the album but that guitar sounds awfully like Adrian Belew to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I've always been a Trevor Bolder fan so i'm a bit biased towards that era of Bowie. Always thought Man Who Sold as having a completely different vibe (that i really liked) from his other albums of that era. I've heard Gail and Tony Visconti on seperate non Bowie vids and was very impressed by them. Afraid i drifted away from Bowie as he moved in 80's and didnt return to his albums until Blackstar. I liked occasional singles from albums but just couldn't get ito the albums. Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nail Soup Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I went to see Robyn Hitchcock recently and the support act was Jessica Lee Morgan. She mentioned ("I like to name drop"!)that she was the daughter of Tony Visconti and folk singer Mary Hopkin. Her set was OK, but unfortunately nothing to suggest that he's inherited much from her parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram.k.hackenbacker Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, dmccombe7 said: Afraid i drifted away from Bowie as he moved in 80's and didnt return to his albums until Blackstar. I liked occasional singles from albums but just couldn't get ito the albums. Dave Dave, you've just reminded me of one of my favourite later Bowie tracks. I always love playing this one. In fact the whole Heathen album is excellent IMHO with '5:15 The Angels Have Gone' and 'Everyone Says Hi' being favourites. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Its a good song and well played but when i analyse why i went off Bowie i tend to narrow it down to the fact there are too many musicians / instruments playing at same time. Its obviously personal taste and i know a lot of people that prefer Bowie's later albums from mid 80's. I liked the simplicity of singer, guitar, bass and drums and maybe a bit of keys now and again. I got into Bowie in Ziggy days so it definitely influences my choice of albums. Last one i bought (before Blackstar) was Station to Station and altho i really liked it when i bought it i've very rarely played it since. One song i really love from Bowie and my apologies for digressing from the OP original question on Bowie Bassists is Where Are We Now but i think the Vid helps make that song a hit for me. Dave 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 This is the clip i saw Gail playing a wee solo of bass and vocals. Have to admit she has a fantastic voice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velarian Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 38 minutes ago, dmccombe7 said: This is the clip i saw Gail playing a wee solo of bass and vocals. Have to admit she has a fantastic voice. Her own album “I Used to Be” is worth a listen too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram.k.hackenbacker Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, Velarian said: Her own album “I Used to Be” is worth a listen too. The track ‘Magical’ was written about her relationship with DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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