Level 42 Before Level42

[2pods]

I corrected myself just before you corrected me 😄

The joys of of a memory that barely remembers the 70s

[Reggaebass]

1 minute ago, 2pods said:

I corrected myself just before you corrected me 😄

The joys of of a memory that barely remembers the 70s

I left school in 1980 and I remember the song well, I wasn’t sure if there was a version earlier 🙂

[Bean9seventy]

5 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

hard to say , something like close to this

 

so, back to reasons why it was never fender ,, relpy only please

 

remembering mark king playing bass in Macaris ,, rabbit hole bonus

[Reggaebass]

7 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

hard to say , something like close to this

 

That makes me want to slap some bass, but I’m useless at it 😁

[Bean9seventy]

Just now, Reggaebass said:

That makes me want to slap some bass, but I’m useless at it 😁

nah ,

st lucians often laugh after they slap

bajans take it too seriously

jams don't go near slap they thinks skunk

& the best are granadians

❤️

[lowdown]

2 hours ago, Bean9seventy said:

 

 

 i am "still" telling you no one was talking about marcus miller in the UK

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, my post was: "Marcus was certainly known in New York during the mid to late 70's."

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by lowdown

[Ricky 4000]

1 hour ago, Reggaebass said:

I left school in 1980 and I remember the song well, I wasn’t sure if there was a version earlier 🙂

 

No mate, co-written by Freddie Washington (on a P bass!).

 

I know I've posted this clip before:

 

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by Ricky 4000

[lowdown]

2 hours ago, Bean9seventy said:

 

 

marcus exploded in ? 1980, the end

  

 

I got "Streamline" (Lenny White) in 1978 because I had heard Marcus on 'Lady Madonna'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Reggaebass]

3 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said:

 

No mate, co-written by Freddy Washington (on a P bass!).

 

I know I've posted this clip before:

 

 

Cheers Ricky 👍, yeah I’d forgotten that one 

[Bean9seventy]

3 hours ago, lowdown said:

 

 

 

Once again, my post was: "Marcus was certainly known in New York during the mid to late 70's."

 

 

 

the reason why this Spate is taking place is because i clearly point out no one had marcus miller on their radar yet. during the funk bass out break that happened on the streets in the UK ,, miller didn't quite exist yet, popswell was the main man, he tones jazzy loose & wild 

 

there were no bass players following marcus miller,yet, they may know the bass lines, i did, i literally Owned "Space Princess" UK 

 

yet his CLASSIC bass lines stood together with other bass lines ,, at that time,

 

robbie vincent owns lonnie liston smith outright in the battle of DJs,,

even george michael gets influenced by LLsmith, 

 

then miller explodes when he leaves LLS & joins Steve Gadd Dave Grusin etc ,,

& goes freelance,

 

thus the chase for stack, top end, new york GPR jazz slap tone begins,

the miller sound completely takes over, bar bernard edwrads

the quest for Popswell fades,

popswell actually drops out of contention soon after, with a sting in the tail tho

 

& that is that ,,

[Bean9seventy]

4 hours ago, lowdown said:

  

 

I got "Streamline" (Lenny White) in 1978 because I had heard Marcus on 'Lady Madonna'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the tunes you picked are probably back catalogued, even norman jay would agree

there 1000s of 90s DJs who do it, back catalogue

 

for someone to have brought this LP in 78 in the UK ? hmm?

they wouldn't have brought it just for miller & bass , sorry ,the timeline is wrong

 

only collectors brought these obscure LPs in the 70s

they would often be involved with DJs & radio," invicta "

they may know "a" bass player/ band  

 

in 78 ? there only about 10 street bass players at "funk level" UK wide & worrying learning & listening to marcus in "78" has not happened yet, sorry

 

that's from the guy that actually "owned space princess" on the floors & plays bass

 

the end

 

[lowdown]

1 hour ago, Bean9seventy said:

 

 

the tunes you picked are probably back catalogued, even norman jay would agree

there 1000s of 90s DJs who do it, back catalogue

 

for someone to have brought this LP in 78 in the UK ? hmm?

they wouldn't have brought it just for miller & bass , sorry ,the timeline is wrong

 

only collectors brought these obscure LPs in the 70s

they would often be involved with DJs & radio," invicta "

they may know "a" bass player/ band  

 

in 78 ? there only about 10 street bass players at "funk level" UK wide & worrying learning & listening to marcus in "78" has not happened yet, sorry

 

that's from the guy that actually "owned space princess" on the floors & plays bass

 

the end

 

 

Nothing to shout about, I know, but in 1978, I was working on Cruise ships around the Caribbean. We (onboard musicians) often, when ashore in Miami, would drink with American musicians in local bars.

They played and introduced music to us to listen to, which we then picked up from local shops to bring home. Or on occasion, even better, New York record stores.

One of the albums, was the one in question, 'Streamline'. You know nothing about me so please, do not question my honesty when I'm just trying to converse musically with you.

 

Because of the Web, listening to music is instant these days. Back then, it wasn't.

If you were over in the States, or you mates came back with records, you got to hear less chart orientated American music a little earlier. 

 

Probably earlier than people (like yourself) who marched up and down Denmark Street or, danced around sparkly handbags with their mates, wearing Platforms and Flares, during Discotheque competitions in 1978,

 

Enjoy the New Year celebrations, Ol' Bean...

 

👍

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by lowdown

[Hellzero]

Buy - bought - bought.

 

Bring - brought - brought.

 

Can you please use the correct one and stop confusing bought with brought ?

 

And it's not only @Bean9seventy...

[Bean9seventy]

15 hours ago, lowdown said:

 

Nothing to shout about, I know, but in 1978, I was working on Cruise ships around the Caribbean. We (onboard musicians) often, when ashore in Miami, would drink with American musicians in local bars.

They played and introduced music to us to listen to, which we then picked up from local shops to bring home. Or on occasion, even better, New York record stores.

One of the albums, was the one in question, 'Streamline'. You know nothing about me so please, do not question my honesty when I'm just trying to converse musically with you.

 

Because of the Web, listening to music is instant these days. Back then, it wasn't.

If you were over in the States, or you mates came back with records, you got to hear less chart orientated American music a little earlier. 

 

Probably earlier than people (like yourself) who marched up and down Denmark Street or, danced around sparkly handbags with their mates, wearing Platforms and Flares, during Discotheque competitions in 1978,

 

Enjoy the New Year celebrations, Ol' Bean...

 

👍

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, lowdown said:

 

Nothing to shout about, I know, but in 1978, I was working on Cruise ships around the Caribbean. We (onboard musicians) often, when ashore in Miami, would drink with American musicians in local bars.

They played and introduced music to us to listen to, which we then picked up from local shops to bring home. Or on occasion, even better, New York record stores.

One of the albums, was the one in question, 'Streamline'. You know nothing about me so please, do not question my honesty when I'm just trying to converse musically with you.

 

Because of the Web, listening to music is instant these days. Back then, it wasn't.

If you were over in the States, or you mates came back with records, you got to hear less chart orientated American music a little earlier. 

 

Probably earlier than people (like yourself) who marched up and down Denmark Street or, danced around sparkly handbags with their mates, wearing Platforms and Flares, during Discotheque competitions in 1978,

 

Enjoy the New Year celebrations, Ol' Bean...

 

👍

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

did you used to live in peckham ? where you from on average ?

[drTStingray]

@Bean9seventy I think there are three strands of people discovering this jazz funk explosion of music (which was alongside disco) in the late 70s. 
 

1) Specialist DJs and the pro dancers/ solo dancers at specific dance clubs and events - including the weekender gatherings etc etc - DJs would use 12” singles and often rare or new ones. Many bass chatters seem to ignore this important area of, to an extent, underground, Street activity. 

 

2) Jazz funk and jazz rock fans who bought albums, generally not singles. A growing group of people owing to cross over albums from the likes of Weather Report. 
 

3) The traditional night clubs were using a combination of hit disco and more obscure 12” stuff - the DJs in the night clubs probably picked up on this due to attendance at 1) and knowledge of 2). However tracks like Do What You Want To Do by T Connection were played regularly at the standard night clubs I went to at the time (they were great - high volume, thunderous Stanley Clarke-like bass).

 

Most open minded musicians were influenced by this music, including playing slap and pop (although I initially developed a percussive fingerstyle approach to it - similar to what Stan Sergeant uses now). 

 

I was in camp 2 and 3, and also a bass player, who started with rock, slid into jazz rock and with a tendency towards R and B - so embraced all this fabulous bass work with open arms. I also started buying 12” singles in the late 70s to be the ‘club mix’ which invariably had more instrumental solos and breakdowns. 
 

It is also true that you would be unlikely to get past an audition on bass guitar without playing some slap in the early 80s. Anyone using a Precision with flats (there weren’t any in my experience, and hardly any playing any form of Fender bass) would be considered very much yesterday’s men - they may get work with in 60s tribute (very much for the older audiences at that time - much had yet to become acceptable vintage and nostalgia, and like Fender custom colour instruments, very much naff apart from dedicated collectors). We have to wait for the mid 90s Oasis type stuff for vintage to suddenly and gradually become the norm. 

Edited January 1, 2022 by drTStingray

[Bean9seventy]

15 hours ago, lowdown said:

 

Nothing to shout about, I know, but in 1978, I was working on Cruise ships around the Caribbean. We (onboard musicians) often, when ashore in Miami, would drink with American musicians in local bars.

They played and introduced music to us to listen to, which we then picked up from local shops to bring home. Or on occasion, even better, New York record stores.

One of the albums, was the one in question, 'Streamline'. You know nothing about me so please, do not question my honesty when I'm just trying to converse musically with you.

 

Because of the Web, listening to music is instant these days. Back then, it wasn't.

If you were over in the States, or you mates came back with records, you got to hear less chart orientated American music a little earlier. 

 

Probably earlier than people (like yourself) who marched up and down Denmark Street or, danced around sparkly handbags with their mates, wearing Platforms and Flares, during Discotheque competitions in 1978,

 

Enjoy the New Year celebrations, Ol' Bean...

 

👍

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the reason why i ask where you from ,,

 

if you played an instrument bass UK ? in 78 worked on a ship went to miami knew all about marcus miller from obscere LPs, mixed with americans all in 78 & you are not from london ? ,,, & already semi pro ? ,, you would be a person who would of at least got a record deal, just like that ?

 

they used to throw record deals at slap bass / groove players in 78

 

if you were not from london you also would have been more with it than frankie goes to holly wood, as nothing much was going on outside of london, as explained ,

 

so ,, 

 

 

 

[lowdown]

34 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

 

did you used to live in peckham ? where you from on average ?

 

Back then? No, not Peckham. Top end of the Old Kent Road, near the Bricklayers Arms roundabout.

 

[Bean9seventy]

2 minutes ago, drTStingray said:

@Bean9seventy I think there are three strands of people discovering this jazz funk explosion of music (which was alongside disco) in the late 70s. 
 

1) Specialist DJs and the pro dancers/ solo dancers at specific dance clubs and events - including the weekender gatherings etc etc - DJs would use 12” singles and often rare or new ones. 

 

2) Jazz funk and jazz rock fans who bought albums, generally not singles. 
 

3) The traditional night clubs were using a combination of hit disco and more obscure 12” stuff - the DJs in the night clubs probably picked up on this due to attendance at 1) and knowledge of 2). However tracks like Do What You Want To Do by T Connection were played regularly at the standard night clubs I went to at the time (they were great - high volume, thunderous Stanley Clarke-like bass).

 

Most open minded musicians were influenced by this music, including playing slap and pop (although I initially developed a percussive fingerstyle approach to it - similar to what Stan Sergeant uses now). 

 

I was in camp 2 and 3, and also a bass player, who started with rock, slid into jazz rock and with a tendency towards R and B - so embraced all this fabulous bass work with open arms. I also started buying 12” singles in the late 70s to be the ‘club mix’ which invariably had more instrumental solos and breakdowns. 
 

It is also true that you would be unlikely to get past an audition on bass guitar without playing some slap in the early 80s. Anyone using a Precision with flats (there weren’t any in my experience, and hardly any playing any form of Fender bass) would be considered very much yesterday’s men - they may get with in 60s tribute (very much for the older audiences at that time - much had yet to become acceptable vintage and nostalgia, and like Fender custom colour instruments, very much naff apart from dedicated collectors). We have to wait for the mid 90s Oasis type stuff for vintage to suddenly and gradually become the norm. 

WELL you are listening to camp Zero Before the big bang

 

we know the songs DJs who why where they were dropped even who personally Owned Them outright

the bass players you had to see slap to know how to play it, 

 

the story is drifting away ,, again its level42 before level 42 ,

 

no reply to why "Fender was never the face of early brit funk

even tho the heading chapter has been struck

 

[Bean9seventy]

3 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

Back then? No, not Peckham. Top end of the Old Kent Road, near the Bricklayers Arms roundabout.

 

on The "Bermondsey" side or Walworth side ? as you know its either SE1 or SE17 

[drTStingray]

There were signed funk bands from outside of London - this band missed their big break (booked for TOTP) - Elvis died two days before and the whole music industry recast itself in tribute mode for a month. They were a great funk band. 
 

https://www.birminghammusicarchive.com/muscles/

[lowdown]

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Bean9seventy said:

on The "Bermondsey" side or Walworth side ? as you know its either SE1 or SE17 

 

 

SE17 (1TE).

[Bean9seventy]

2 minutes ago, drTStingray said:

There were signed funk bands from outside of London - this band missed their big break (booked for TOTP) - Elvis died two days before and the whole music industry recast itself in tribute mode for a month. They were a great funk band. 
 

https://www.birminghammusicarchive.com/muscles/

i am not ruling out obscure groups probably world wide who dropped into dance music , yet its besides the point ,, as the forum is trying focus on specific aspects ,,

why not Fender

& the bonus rabbit hole remembering mark king playing bass in macaris

 

at this point ,, the marcus miller rabbit hole filling up the pages has become a major diversion BRB

[Bean9seventy]

6 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

 

 

 

 

SE17 (1TE).

& What bass did you have ?

[lowdown]

1 minute ago, Bean9seventy said:

& What bass did you have ?

 

Back then, in the 70's?  Two Jazz Basses (fretted and fretless). In 1979, I also acquired a Musicman. Plus I had an Unknown Double Bass passed down to me.

All long gone now. The above were taken over by Gas for a while.

[Bean9seventy]

2 minutes ago, lowdown said:

 

Back then, in the 70's?  Two Jazz Basses (fretted and fretless). In 1979, I also acquired a Musicman. Plus I had an Unknown Double Bass passed down to me.

All long gone now. The above were taken over by Gas for a while.

did you start learning piano other instrument ?

were there other people you knew who played these obscure LPs & other musicians in the nearby area

did you go on to get or to almost get a record deal