TimR Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Maybe put the discussion in context then. Someone pointed out that the thread title was racist. Other people still can't see why. It's an opportunity to educate them on what is considered racist and how its not limited to race. Some people still can't understand, despite it being explained several times very clearly with examples. If you want to discuss the rainforest then you can start a thread about the rainforest. It's not a one topic forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earbrass Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, cetera said: Imagine what could they could achieve if they directed their outrage constructively, where it mattered....?! I'm going to guess absolutely f*** all, as in the present case, apart perhaps from the warm glow of superiority they get from having seized an imaginary piece of moral high ground. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Speaking of 'dim Americans', today marks one year since the Capitol insurrection. I'm pretty sure a few people in this thread would have been there screaming 'Freedom!'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleat Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 I'm not racist... I despise everyone equally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Karloff Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 Yer something to be truly alarmed about. A beacon of democracy was a sliver away from becoming a dictatorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Karloff Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 Earbrass is right. Everyones prime goal in life is to be a victim. A multi millionaire tennis player tries to illegally enter a country, faces a few days trapped in a hotel room and he is the victim. Where's my sympathy? Katie Price gets tanked up on booze and drugs, flips her car and her defence is "I did it because I had some distressing news" ergo I am the victim. Where's my sympathy? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 What's wrong with being Racey? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueno Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 39 minutes ago, Bleat said: I'm not racist... I despise everyone equally. I’m offended by that… maybe… dunno… I’ll have to think about it… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Karloff Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 Racey look like a 2nd rate Showaddywaddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Karloff Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 Guy 3rd from the left. That's a game of pocket billiards going on there. Filthy beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Who is offended? Who is being morally superior? Who is playing the victim? Can't see any of that on this thread. I can see a few apparently defensive posts that may be trying to justify something that's been hastily written and poking fun at the Americans. Certainly a few posters who seem unaware of the legislation around race discrimination. Even someone who claimed they're not going to believe a few words written on some website and they'll stick to the dictionary. For anyone who still thinks being xenophobic isn't being racist, here's the legislation (from some random website): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/71/enacted I really don't have any truck with any of this, other than when someone asks why it's racist and then when told, argues it isn't. That seems odd behaviour to me. Anyway. I think we have all learned something about the American legal system, which I guess was the original intention, before the thread was derailed. It similar to the UK system in that cases and outcomes that seem odd or frivolous, are often quite straightforward when the details are examined properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubit Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jason Karloff said: Please someone lock this thread. It's beyond tedious now. Edited January 6, 2022 by ubit 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, TimR said: For anyone who still thinks being xenophobic isn't being racist, here's the legislation (from some random website): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/71/enacted While I am in agreement that racism and xenophobia* tend to overlap I note that the word 'xenophobia' is used precisely zero times in the 1968 legislation. * As the word is defined nowadays rather than in its original sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, skankdelvar said: While I am in agreement that racism and xenophobia* tend to overlap I note that the word 'xenophobia' is used precisely zero times in the 1968 legislation. * As the word is defined nowadays rather than in its original sense "(1)For the purposes of this Act a person discriminates against another if on the ground of colour, race or ethnic or national origins..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 13 hours ago, NikNik said: All this, over a sarky comment about Yanks..... Good job nobody mentioned the Canadians. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Karloff Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) Shhhs. Tim will be cutting and pasting a definition of Maple Syrup. Edited January 6, 2022 by Jason Karloff 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteb Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 hours ago, TimR said: It's an opportunity to educate them on what is considered racist and how its not limited to race. Can't you see how nonsensical that statement is? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Karloff Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 We've been trying for 2 days. 😔 Prepare to get attacked with a deft use of Ctrl C and Ctrl V It's coming.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Baloney Balderdash said: How does that even make sense, why would it? As stated above racism and xenophobic doesn't mean the same thing at all, and I don't see how you came to the conclusion that they do, that is unless you don't know what xenophobic actually means. To (approximately) quote Michael Flanders: "The word xenophobia comes from the Greek words phobos, fear or hatred, and xenos, foreigner, stranger, or guest. Hence xenophobia, a fear or hatred of guests". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Jason Karloff said: Yer something to be truly alarmed about. A beacon of democracy was a sliver away from becoming a dictatorship. It's certainly not safe now. Over half of Republican voters still believe that Trump won, and Republican states are busy messing with their electoral rules and officials to make sure the Democrats are locked out of them. Rather the same thing is happening in the UK. Kazakhstan is becoming a role model. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Karloff Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 I know. Its just impossible to see any progress on anything bi partisan. They just hate each other. As for Kazakhstan, you can see why Putin would pile in. Those protests could easily spread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueno Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, tauzero said: To (approximately) quote Michael Flanders: "The word xenophobia comes from the Greek words phobos, fear or hatred, and xenos, foreigner, stranger, or guest. Hence xenophobia, a fear or hatred of guests". So… when you have a fear of the in-laws coming over at Christmas… it’s actually xenophobia… I knew it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 hour ago, TimR said: "(1)For the purposes of this Act a person discriminates against another if on the ground of colour, race or ethnic or national origins..." "(1)For the purposes of this Act a person discriminates against another if on the ground of colour, race or ethnic or national origins..." isn't exactly the same thing as xenophobia. Xenophobia might motivate someone to discriminate against someone else but it's the discrimination which The Act addresses. Indeed, being of a certain age, I can remember back when 'racial discrimination' was the thing that everyone was (rightly) exercised about rather than the animus which motivates the discrimination. I mean, you're not wrong but you're not exactly right, either. Happy New year, old chum! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky 4000 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Question: My Mrs was recently a bit cheeky to me. Now, as I'm Welsh, technically, I need to know if that was actually a hate crime? Because if yes, I probably need to call the police or something. 3 hours ago, Jason Karloff said: Racey look like a 2nd rate Showaddywaddy That's exactly what happened to be fair. 👍 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnyman Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 23 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said: Question: My Mrs was recently a bit cheeky to me. Now, as I'm Welsh, technically, I need to know if that was actually a hate crime? Because if yes, I probably need to call the police or something. That's exactly what happened to be fair. 👍 I’m not sure that being Welsh is a protected characteristic so Mrs R was probably okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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