alexa3020 Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I’ve ordered a JPTR jive pedal as seen here: It replicates tape saturation & distortion/fuzz. I’m going to run the jive similar to the chap in the video I.e where the signal gets ‘fat’ just before the point of breakup and intend it as an always on pedal. It seems to me this will be doing a similar job to a compressor. Do you think I’ll be able to lose the compressor or should I use it with a compressor? I suppose the answer is to try it and see, but I thought I’d ask basschatters for advice anyway thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Drive pedals are basically compressing the signal so you may be able to get away without using one, but the best thing to do is play around and try it. The pedal will probably react differently with a compressor either in front or behind it, so play around and see what sounds best to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 That looks quite interesting. I suspect it will be one of those fx that sound a bit farty when played alone, but then sounds perfect in a mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Agree, a bit like those isolated bass tracks we hear where the bass sounds fairly “meh” on its own but really warm/big/fat in the mix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa3020 Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) I thought the Direct recording of the p bass with the jive circuit built in sounded great. I doubt I’ll use it for distortion, just want it to fatten the sound and get slightly gritty. funnily enough, it’s just arrived, so I’ll report back if you’re interested. Check out their business card - looks like it’s an actual functioning PCB board - pretty cool Edited January 10, 2022 by alexa3020 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 A 'Drive' pedal is indeed reducing the dynamic range of the signal (Compression). But it doesn't have time based envelope controls ie attack / release times. So it's arguably more like a Limiter. The results really depend on how you use your compressor. If it's to maintain a 'solid' level in the mix then it's probably good for that task. But if you use it to get eighth notes 'pumping' then it probably won't replace the compressor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boodang Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 08/01/2022 at 16:41, alexa3020 said: It replicates tape saturation & distortion/fuzz. I’m going to run the jive similar to the chap in the video I.e where the signal gets ‘fat’ just before the point of breakup and intend it as an always on pedal. It seems to me this will be doing a similar job to a compressor. Does this pedal simulate tape saturation or just the saturation of the Akai reel to reel pre amp? An interesting pedal all the same. I like the idea of simulating tape saturation tho, the nearest I've seen in analogue form is the Neve Design unit but it's a bit expensive to get on a whim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) - Edited March 16, 2022 by Jus Lukin 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa3020 Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, Boodang said: Does this pedal simulate tape saturation or just the saturation of the Akai reel to reel pre amp? An interesting pedal all the same. I like the idea of simulating tape saturation tho, the nearest I've seen in analogue form is the Neve Design unit but it's a bit expensive to get on a whim. Copied from their website: Inspired by an old Akai GX 210D reel to reel tape machine from the 1970s, the JIVE - Reel Saturator was made to give you the gooey and warm saturation obtained when pushing the Akai’s pre-amps to the max. https://www.jptrfx.com/dirt-machines/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa3020 Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, rmorris said: A 'Drive' pedal is indeed reducing the dynamic range of the signal (Compression). But it doesn't have time based envelope controls ie attack / release times. So it's arguably more like a Limiter. The results really depend on how you use your compressor. If it's to maintain a 'solid' level in the mix then it's probably good for that task. But if you use it to get eighth notes 'pumping' then it probably won't replace the compressor. At the moment I just use a compressor to reduce the dynamic range and even out & fatten the sound. So it sounds like this pedal may do that job. I'm fairly new to compression & have always used the onboard one on my amp - which is a single pot control. That said I do have a compressor & am interested to see if I can make good use of attack/release controls etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boodang Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, alexa3020 said: Copied from their website: Inspired by an old Akai GX 210D reel to reel tape machine from the 1970s, the JIVE - Reel Saturator was made to give you the gooey and warm saturation obtained when pushing the Akai’s pre-amps to the max. https://www.jptrfx.com/dirt-machines/ Yeah, their blurb is still a bit ambiguous. Does that mean it's simulating just the Akai pre-amp or the whole reel unit including the affect of the tape heads as well? I'm guessing by the diode selection switches it's just the pre-amp. A bit academic as the proof is in the pudding. But if it's the pre-amp the effect will be more distortion related, whereas with tape heads, up to a point, it will be more compression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa3020 Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Boodang said: Yeah, their blurb is still a bit ambiguous. Does that mean it's simulating just the Akai pre-amp or the whole reel unit including the affect of the tape heads as well? I'm guessing by the diode selection switches it's just the pre-amp. A bit academic as the proof is in the pudding. But if it's the pre-amp the effect will be more distortion related, whereas with tape heads, up to a point, it will be more compression. Yes, I agree it’s ambiguous. Pedal sounded sweet in that video though. I’ll put it through its paces at practice tomorrow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa3020 Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 Had a play with the pedal tonight. I’m cautiously very pleased as It was a really good mix tonight anyway. It seems to warm and fatten the sound exactly as I expected. What surprised me was how good it made the valve drive sound on the Abm (is that due to gain staging?). I still preferred to use the compressor to even out the tone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 On 13/01/2022 at 04:14, Jus Lukin said: Compression is like being able to shrink the bus before it goes in: it's now small enough to fit, but retains all its other properties and proportions. I don't know that I get along with that analogy too well at all. Your shrinking would be like turning down the volume knob. Automotive analogies, always running out of steam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) - Edited March 16, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Saturation is adding distortion overtones at a higher rate than the undertones. Compression is progressively failing to amplify over the threshold. Turning down the volume is turning down the volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) - Edited March 16, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Turning down as in physically adjusting the amp knob is what I was meaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) - Edited April 28, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jus Lukin said: A compressor is quite literally an automatic volume control. Everything ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disssa Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) The JPTR Jive has nothing in common with the Akai. It is only for marketing. Half of the pedals sold are junk, the other half sound awful. Edited March 28, 2022 by disssa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) - Edited April 28, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloney Balderdash Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) On 22/03/2022 at 10:42, Jus Lukin said: A compressor is quite literally an automatic volume control. Not really. Compressing a signal will effect the transient, sustain and frequency content of it as well. Turning down the volume will just, well, make it quieter. Edited March 31, 2022 by Baloney Balderdash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 46 minutes ago, Baloney Balderdash said: Not really. Compressing a signal will effect the transient, sustain and frequency content of it as well. Turning down the volume will just, well, make it quieter. We've been round the bases on that alread. Rehashing it won't do any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) - Edited April 28, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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