Tdw Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 20 hours ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said: When you have one driver that can only take 50 watts before reaching its mechanical limit and another that can take 500 watts before reaching its mechanical limit you don't need a scientific background to see that it's a bad pairing. It's not about being correct, it's about being logical. Bill, are you saying that the bf 110 has a mechanical limit of 500 Watts and the te 110 has a mechanical limit of 50 Watts or are these numbers just examples of extreme variation of speakers to illustrate a point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 They're just examples of how far apart drivers can be in their mechanical capability, which is defined by xmax. By no means are these differences rare. One of the most ubiquitous drivers is the Eminence Beta 10, and OEM versions of it. Orange uses it in their OBC 410. It reaches xmax at 40w at 80Hz, where the output demand for electric bass is at its highest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdw Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) Double post Edited January 22, 2022 by Tdw double post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdw Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tdw said: Thanks, I thought that might be the case. I don't suppose you've any idea about x max for the barefaced and the te 10 inch drivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassmanPaul Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Can you not purchase these cabinets directly from Barefaced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, BassmanPaul said: Can you not purchase these cabinets directly from Barefaced? You can. They have very good rates on their worldwide shipping. You won't pay a penny of VAT to the UK. Andertons in UK undercut BF in UK effectively by doing free shipping! I guess BF don't mind as it saves them shagging around shipping single cabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Tdw said: Thanks, I thought that might be the case. I don't suppose you've any idea about x max for the barefaced and the te 10 inch drivers? The BF ten has 250cc of displacement, indicating around 7.5mm xmax, which is very respectable. I don't see it handling less than 225w. The TE driver is an unknown commodity. It supposedly uses an Eminence Neo Ten, but they make at least four different varieties, and that doesn't count OEM variants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdw Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said: The BF ten has 250cc of displacement, indicating around 7.5mm xmax, which is very respectable. I don't see it handling less than 225w. The TE driver is an unknown commodity. It supposedly uses an Eminence Neo Ten, but they make at least four different varieties, and that doesn't count OEM variants. That's interesting , surprising to hear that speakers of the same nominal size can handle such differing wattage. 40 for the orange 10s to 225 for the bf, that's a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 There are tens that can handle a lot more, but to do that they sacrifice midrange response, so they're typically used in subwoofers or designs with separate midrange drivers. On the flip side guitar tens that will go into high distortion with only ten watts are common. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 12 hours ago, BassmanPaul said: Can you not purchase these cabinets directly from Barefaced? He is a member on here - Alex claber? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Geek99 said: He is a member on here - Alex claber? Yeah, @alexclaberAlex is very helpful and knowledgeable, he helped me out massively when I was looking for the right barefaced cabs for me , I emailed him direct at Barefaced , [email protected] Edited January 23, 2022 by Reggaebass Added email if it helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Reggaebass said: Yeah, @alexclaberAlex is very helpful and knowledgeable, he helped me out massively when I was looking for the right barefaced cabs for me , I emailed him direct at Barefaced @nikon Fthere you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassmanPaul Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Geek99 said: He is a member on here - Alex claber? I know. I've been conversing with Alex for many years over the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 23/01/2022 at 01:23, Tdw said: That's interesting , surprising to hear that speakers of the same nominal size can handle such differing wattage. 40 for the orange 10s to 225 for the bf, that's a huge difference. It's easy to become confused when trying to compare speaker power handling - and the manufacturers don't do much to help. Allow me to clarify. The Eminence Eminence Beta 10 that Bill says is used in the Orange cab is rated by Eminence at 250W. That's the thermal power handling of the coil. Barefaced also rates their 10" driver at 250W. So there's no difference there. The 40W Bill mentions is the calculated power handling of the driver in a cabinet based on its xmax. The published xmax of the Beta 10 is 3mm. If we accept the Barefaced 7.5mm figure, the equivalent power handling of the Barefaced driver would be 100W. I'd be very wary of treating xmax as a reliable yardstick unless you have more detailed information than just a single figure. A bit like car fuel consumption. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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