binky_bass Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) So, it's actually officially happening! We've broken ground today on building a studio rehearsal room. It's going to be a big old beast... circa 40sqm. Time frame to completion is around 8 weeks. I shall update in due course, but suffice to say I am quite excited about having a proper studio rehearsal room! 😁 The band will be moving in as soon as its ready and will save use between £200 and £250 a month in practice room fees. Edited May 5, 2022 by binky_bass 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzyvee Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Wow great project, i'll be watching for progress updates. Is it going to be made from bricks and block or wood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 Timber frame on top of a steel based which will be on ground screws. It'll be white render finished, fully insulated. Plastered on the inside and painted white. We're using a mechanical mole to route the utilities underground to save digging a trench 200ft up the garden. Need to get WiFi down there too... not sure on the best route for that. My brother in law who's a bit of a IT whizz suggested some kind of radar system, not sure how that's works but he'll help us with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Yurrrs! A nice thing to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard R Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 9 hours ago, binky_bass said: Timber frame on top of a steel based which will be on ground screws. It'll be white render finished, fully insulated. Plastered on the inside and painted white. We're using a mechanical mole to route the utilities underground to save digging a trench 200ft up the garden. Need to get WiFi down there too... not sure on the best route for that. My brother in law who's a bit of a IT whizz suggested some kind of radar system, not sure how that's works but he'll help us with that. If you're running utilities, then run wired ethernet as well. Cat6 from your routed to the studio, then a wifi point there. It will be a million times more reliable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilebodgers Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Richard R said: If you're running utilities, then run wired ethernet as well. Cat6 from your routed to the studio, then a wifi point there. It will be a million times more reliable. This. You might find the Ethernet over mains adaptors work well too, they did for me in my old house where I had a workshop at the end of the garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 9 hours ago, binky_bass said: Timber frame on top of a steel based which will be on ground screws. It'll be white render finished, fully insulated. Plastered on the inside and painted white. We're using a mechanical mole to route the utilities underground to save digging a trench 200ft up the garden. Need to get WiFi down there too... not sure on the best route for that. My brother in law who's a bit of a IT whizz suggested some kind of radar system, not sure how that's works but he'll help us with that. Project looks fantastic, best of luck with it. If the electrics are not on the same circuit (suspect there will be a separate consumer unit) then Ethernet plugs won’t work. Your brother in laws suggestion would work well. Ubiquiti AirFibre products are great but not the cheapest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Richard R said: If you're running utilities, then run wired ethernet as well. Cat6 from your routed to the studio, then a wifi point there. It will be a million times more reliable. This. 1 hour ago, nilebodgers said: This. You might find the Ethernet over mains adaptors work well too, they did for me in my old house where I had a workshop at the end of the garden. The problem with ethernet over the mains is that both ends need to be on the same circuit, and your new building is almost definitely going to be on a completely separate one to the rest of the sockets in the house. Plus they are not as good as a dedicated cable and can introduce noise into the mains which may affect audio equipment. Not what you want in a studio/rehearsal room. Besides if you're already running other services to it, one extra cable isn't going to make a significant difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, BigRedX said: This. The problem with ethernet over the mains is that both ends need to be on the same circuit, and your new building is almost definitely going to be on a completely separate one to the rest of the sockets in the house. Plus they are not as good as a dedicated cable and can introduce noise into the mains which may affect audio equipment. Not what you want in a studio/rehearsal room. Besides if you're already running other services to it, one extra cable isn't going to make a significant difference. Distance could be an issue if the studio is over 100m from the router. From pictures looks about 60ft so Ethernet should be fine in conduit or direct burial cable. Edited April 8, 2022 by tegs07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted April 8, 2022 Author Share Posted April 8, 2022 33 minutes ago, tegs07 said: Distance could be an issue if the studio is over 100m from the router. From pictures looks about 60ft so Ethernet should be fine in conduit or direct burial cable. The closest wall of the studio will be around 150ft from the house, the router is at the very front of the house, so an extra 35ft from that, assuming the router in the studio is somewhere in the middle then router to router would be near on 200ft. Running an ethernet cable does add cost as its another run that the mole has to do and is about an equal cost to using the radar technique that my brother in law suggested, he said it would be as stable as a cable and wouldn't run the risk of having breaks in the line that'll be buried underground. I'll have a further chat with the moling company to see what the cost is to run a 4th line (16mm armoured cable, water line, waste line) for the ethernet, but when we briefly discussed it a few weeks ago, the cost is similar to radar WiFi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilebodgers Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 hour ago, BigRedX said: This. The problem with ethernet over the mains is that both ends need to be on the same circuit, and your new building is almost definitely going to be on a completely separate one to the rest of the sockets in the house. Plus they are not as good as a dedicated cable and can introduce noise into the mains which may affect audio equipment. Not what you want in a studio/rehearsal room. Besides if you're already running other services to it, one extra cable isn't going to make a significant difference. Agreed that it’s always better cabled, but I found if the mains circuits are off the same consumer unit there is no problem and I never saw any mains noise pollution issues with the Tp-link units I used either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, binky_bass said: The closest wall of the studio will be around 150ft from the house, the router is at the very front of the house, so an extra 35ft from that, assuming the router in the studio is somewhere in the middle then router to router would be near on 200ft. Running an ethernet cable does add cost as its another run that the mole has to do and is about an equal cost to using the radar technique that my brother in law suggested, he said it would be as stable as a cable and wouldn't run the risk of having breaks in the line that'll be buried underground. I'll have a further chat with the moling company to see what the cost is to run a 4th line (16mm armoured cable, water line, waste line) for the ethernet, but when we briefly discussed it a few weeks ago, the cost is similar to radar WiFi. 100m or 328ft is pretty much the max distance without going down the fibre route. Distance wise you are fine. Sounds like you guys have done your research already. As long as there is uninterrupted line of sight solutions like the ubiquiti AirFibre work really well. Edited April 8, 2022 by tegs07 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Nation Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, binky_bass said: stable as a cable sound as a pound 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard R Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 I'm watching with interest. I'm in the planning stage of a workshop at the bottom of the garden, but it's only about 30m to go for power and ethernet, so I can trench that myself. For your 60+m run with four utilities, getting in a specialist company seems like an excellent decision! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 3 hours ago, nilebodgers said: Agreed that it’s always better cabled, but I found if the mains circuits are off the same consumer unit there is no problem and I never saw any mains noise pollution issues with the Tp-link units I used either. I've just moved home office location and because it's currently in a rented property drilling holes for a reasonably direct cable run wasn't possible. I had a look at Powerline adaptors, but for every glowing review there was another one cataloguing problems (and the good ones weren't cheap), so I ended up running 30m standard cat6 cable round a convoluted path to get from the lounge where the router was to the room I'm using as my office with the minimum of visual disruption. Personally I'm not a fan of WiFi for anything other than hand-held devices. Everything else requires a power cable so adding a network cable as well is no big deal. If this was my studio build, I'd seriously consider only having wired network connectivity to discourage others from constantly checking their phones when we should be getting on with the more serious business of making music without distractions, but then again I'm starting to turn into a grumpy old man... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Al Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, binky_bass said: Timber frame on top of a steel based which will be on ground screws. It'll be white render finished, fully insulated. Plastered on the inside and painted white. We're using a mechanical mole to route the utilities underground to save digging a trench 200ft up the garden. Need to get WiFi down there too... not sure on the best route for that. My brother in law who's a bit of a IT whizz suggested some kind of radar system, not sure how that's works but he'll help us with that. If you are laying a cable for electricity, why not just put some cat6 cable in the hole at the same time? Opps I should really read all the replies before posting. Edited April 8, 2022 by Flat Al 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted April 8, 2022 Author Share Posted April 8, 2022 1 hour ago, BigRedX said: I've just moved home office location and because it's currently in a rented property drilling holes for a reasonably direct cable run wasn't possible. I had a look at Powerline adaptors, but for every glowing review there was another one cataloguing problems (and the good ones weren't cheap), so I ended up running 30m standard cat6 cable round a convoluted path to get from the lounge where the router was to the room I'm using as my office with the minimum of visual disruption. Personally I'm not a fan of WiFi for anything other than hand-held devices. Everything else requires a power cable so adding a network cable as well is no big deal. If this was my studio build, I'd seriously consider only having wired network connectivity to discourage others from constantly checking their phones when we should be getting on with the more serious business of making music without distractions, but then again I'm starting to turn into a grumpy old man... Powering adapters won't cut it for our Studio connectivity. What I'm going to use is a point to point wireless connection. I've had a chat to a company today and for around £400 I can get a P2P system capable of 500m range at 500mb, that included an external ethernet cable to go from my router to the transmitter, the transmitter and receiver as well as a mock router that'll run off the receiver that we can 'hard plug' into and use for wireless connectivity. It's all a bit new to me, but as is the ground screw technique for the sub-frame! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 The 10m x 4m steel base is now down, got a delivery of 200 odd meters of timber coming tomorrow... For a size reference, you can see my wife in the bottom corner of the base, it's is quite large! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si600 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Why is the reinforcement zig zag on one end and straight at the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, Si600 said: Why is the reinforcement zig zag on one end and straight at the other? Honestly, I have no idea! Some kind of structural reinforcement I'd guess... perhaps if the sections are over '2 rectangles' long they need some kind of reinforcement? I shall ask when the builder is back tomorrow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Si600 said: Why is the reinforcement zig zag on one end and straight at the other? That's just the way they make 'em, for Wormwood Scrubs. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 I'd imagine it's to add triangulation to the structure thereby stiffening it. I wouldn't have thought distortion of the floor structure was a problem though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 So that photo was yesterday... A mere 4 hours into today and the garden is a very different place! 6 workers, generators, underground moles, chop saws, six 5ft holes, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 End of the day shot... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Woooooohooo! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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