NikNik Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Ricky Rioli said: Do you think there's a template that goes over the body, and the relicker just chips off all the paint exposed by the template? Someone's looked at the BOD and taken a screwdriver and a craft-knife to it. Here's my MJT. Look at the ageing that's been done on this body, compared to that mess in OP. Edited April 26, 2022 by NikNik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 On 25/04/2022 at 10:16, NickA said: "bought new in 2021 in immaculate 10/10 almost new, unplayed condition with no dings or missing finish" !!!! ....according to bass direct. What does a badly damaged one look like? £3500 for a badly damaged basic jazz bass ... why? It's just daft. I think its how utterly pristine the wood looks in the worn areas. It just doesn't happen like that! More fool anyone who chooses that is the best way to spend £3.5k. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverBlackman Posted April 26, 2022 Share Posted April 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Ricky Rioli said: Do you think there's a template that goes over the body, and the relicker just chips off all the paint exposed by the template? They’ve probably found a machine that can do it. I decided to take influence on my jazz from the bass of doom but I prefer the clean look. Couldn’t play it because the cat was asleep. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Nation Posted April 27, 2022 Share Posted April 27, 2022 On 25/04/2022 at 13:21, chris_b said: People like them and order them, so Fender make them. FTFY: Fender make them, so people like them and order them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyR Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 On 25/04/2022 at 10:16, NickA said: "bought new in 2021 in immaculate 10/10 almost new, unplayed condition with no dings or missing finish" !!!! ....according to bass direct. What does a badly damaged one look like? £3500 for a badly damaged basic jazz bass ... why? They could do a lot better in my opinion. I wouldn’t criticise other people’s choices but to me Fender CS relics are unconvincing, the necks usually being less authentic than the bodies, especially the belt sander effect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, GuyR said: They could do a lot better in my opinion. I wouldn’t criticise other people’s choices but to me Fender CS relics are unconvincing, the necks usually being less authentic than the bodies, especially the belt sander effect. I totally agree with all you have said. There are so much better out there. But each to their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverBlackman Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Owen said: I totally agree with all you have said. There are so much better out there. But each to their own. How often do you see the Bravewood Jaco replicas come up for sale though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, OliverBlackman said: How often do you see the Bravewood Jaco replicas come up for sale though? Fair point. BUT, as you know, they are SO much better. I have been through 3 Bravewoods and put them all against my 66J. They scratched exactly the same itches. If I played 4 strings I would stop right there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 11 hours ago, Owen said: I totally agree with all you have said. There are so much better out there. But each to their own. I need to actually take some better pics of my Bravewood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMoon Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Totally agree about Bravewood. Best repro Fender I've ever played and the aging is spot on, in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 On 26/04/2022 at 22:24, OliverBlackman said: They’ve probably found a machine that can do it. I decided to take influence on my jazz from the bass of doom but I prefer the clean look. Couldn’t play it because the cat was asleep. Just needs a knob plate on it to give the full post-repair BoD look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverBlackman Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 3 hours ago, tauzero said: Just needs a knob plate on it to give the full post-repair BoD look. Thought about it at the time, but then decided to see as much of the top as possible. Still debate from time to time whether I should have gone with dots too but this is the problem when you have to choose spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman666 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) i have one of these locked up in a room in se asia...havent seen it in years ...hope its still there(could be eaten by termites)...neck played like butter ...geddy thinks so too. i remember buying it in hong kong for top dollar ...it was literally the only ready way into fretless at the time if you were stuck in that part of the world before internet sales became a thing. Edited June 4, 2022 by Musicman666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastodon2 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 GuitarGuitar posted this on their Facebook yesterday. I've never seen a guitar age like this. Even famous Teles dragged around the road for years on end didn't age so harshly. I think with these sort of things, they get a "more is more" mentality and end up with something that looks totally unrealistic. That said, I don't mind a relic job when done right. These EVH Frankie replicas are incredible guitars for the price. In particular, whatever they did to age the neck is amazing. Based on the way the grain of the wood looks, I think it must have been some sort of oil finish over the raw maple with some dark additive in the oil. And yes, I wouldn't feel too badly about adding more dings to it, whereas I'd be gutted if I didn that to my other guitars that I keep pristine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 7 hours ago, Mastodon2 said: GuitarGuitar posted this on their Facebook yesterday. I've never seen a guitar age like this. Even famous Teles dragged around the road for years on end didn't age so harshly. I think with these sort of things, they get a "more is more" mentality and end up with something that looks totally unrealistic. Like todays ripped jeans. Where authentic ripped jeans might have one knee out todays ones look like a pack of Rottweilers have given them the good news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbd1960 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 I saw that ad yesterday for the guitar and I just thought 'yuk'. I'll be honest, I don't see the point in 'relicing' - you get it with string instruments like violins as well, where it is described as 'antiqued'. I don't like 'antiquing' either. Natural wear and tear? Fine - my cello has had a hard life but it's about 120 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, zbd1960 said: . . . . I don't see the point in 'relicing' - you get it with string instruments like violins as well, where it is described as 'antiqued'. I don't like 'antiquing' either. Natural wear and tear? Fine - my cello has had a hard life but it's about 120 years old. They do this with furniture as well. A carpenter friend built a refectory table and then customer decided it had to look like "Oliver Cromwell's troops used it!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Some of the CS bodies aren’t too bad ,but it’s what they do with the back of the neck I don’t like, I’ve seen some that are almost black to make them look worn, it instantly puts me off buying it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 Tell someone with a classic car that it would look or drive better relic'd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johncee Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 3 hours ago, zbd1960 said: I saw that ad yesterday for the guitar and I just thought 'yuk'. I'll be honest, I don't see the point in 'relicing' - you get it with string instruments like violins as well, where it is described as 'antiqued'. I don't like 'antiquing' either. Natural wear and tear? Fine - my cello has had a hard life but it's about 120 years old. A lot of people think that their old violins/violas/cellos look how they do because of natural wear and tear, when they were actually antiqued in the first place. It's not a recent trend - it goes back to the 19th century. Not saying this applies to yours, just making a general point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyctes Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 3 hours ago, chris_b said: They do this with furniture as well. A carpenter friend built a refectory table and then customer decided it had to look like "Oliver Cromwell's troops used it!" Cromwell's troops would have used it for firewood. Which, to be fair, might be why the punter needed a table... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbd1960 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 40 minutes ago, Johncee said: A lot of people think that their old violins/violas/cellos look how they do because of natural wear and tear, when they were actually antiqued in the first place. It's not a recent trend - it goes back to the 19th century. Not saying this applies to yours, just making a general point. My cello is a German workshop one - it's just had a hard life. It's had a new neck at some point. The back is quite nice, but at some point some sort of solvent splattered the front and made a mess of the finish. I had a luthier give it s decent clean and polish, so it's better than it was. You're right that in the C19th they started trying to make violins look like they were from the C17th and C18th.... this is when people realised that Strads etc were worth a lot of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyb625 Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 David Gilmour's Esquire is pretty worn, although by all accounts, that wear was already on it back in the 70's when he bought it. Maybe it's the earliest example of relicing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Personally I like the look of some relics and a Jaco relic has some appeal to me... BUT. Every relic guitar I've come across in person, including a fender CS Jazz, has just made me not want to play it. There's just something about the fake ageing, dirty neck, cracked finish, unrealistic wear patterns that loads of other guitars have in cookie-cutter identical places, Sandberg for example all their heavy relics look identical to me and that's disappointing for a handmade item. Each to their own, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowend soldier Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) Bass police have arrived !!!!! Off too jail for the OP. Some very good companies out there, doing some very good relics. Fender isn,t high on the list. Anyone expecting anything different from the biggest mass producing guitar company in history needs a fender history lesson. But this Jaco bass is off limits imo. Why? Why would someone want too have a bass that is instantly recognised and synonymous with the greatest and most influential jazz player of all time? As is others like "trigger" or "Blackie" There lies the answer............. Edited June 6, 2022 by Lowend soldier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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