This Trace Elliot ELF never ceases to amaze me!!!!

[Burns-bass]

21 hours ago, Downunderwonder said:

I don't think any amp is safe on a pedalboard. Spillage happens.

Ahh, so I don’t put the board on the floor at DB gigs. 

[Stub Mandrel]

Took my 50W Joyo badass to the bass bashwith my pjb C2.

 

Forgot how many people use gig volume at a bash!

 

Dug out my Elf and got by.

 

Tried a TE1200 through some of the LFSYS cabs. Very nice.

 

[stereoplayer]

21 hours ago, Burns-bass said:

Ahh, so I don’t put the board on the floor at DB gigs. 

Well, pedals are down there!  I don’t see any harm in it. If you’re spilling your drinks…then you’re not drinking them!!🤣

[MacDaddy]

Hi all, I'm in your gang now! 😁

I just need a jack to speakon. Any recommendations?

 

 

Edited October 16, 2024 by MacDaddy
Because I don't know the difference between XLR and speakon 😖

[ossyrocks]

11 minutes ago, MacDaddy said:

Hi all, I'm in your gang now! 😁

I just need a jack to XLR. Any recommendations?

Congrats!

 

I use these.

https://www.designacable.com/van-damme-2x1-5mm-speakon-to-mono-jack-passive-speaker-lead-1.html

 

[msb]

I’ve just used adaptors with 1/4 in speaker cables

[prowla]

3 hours ago, MacDaddy said:

Hi all, I'm in your gang now! 😁

I just need a jack to XLR. Any recommendations?

 

2 hours ago, ossyrocks said:

Congrats!

 

I use these.

https://www.designacable.com/van-damme-2x1-5mm-speakon-to-mono-jack-passive-speaker-lead-1.html

 

 

19 minutes ago, msb said:

I’ve just used adaptors with 1/4 in speaker cables

 

That is a Speakon, not XLR, right?

 

A few years back I went to a (now defunct) Maplins and asked if they had any Speakon connectors: the assistant gave me a quizzical look told me he could show me where the "speaker" cables were and took me across, where I picked a Speakon off the display.

[MacDaddy]

7 minutes ago, prowla said:

 

 

 

That is a Speakon, not XLR, right?

 

A few years back I went to a (now defunct) Maplins and asked if they had any Speakon connectors: the assistant gave me a quizzical look told me he could show me where the "speaker" cables were and took me across, where I picked a Speakon off the display.

 

Which is what I meant. Original post edited admitting I'm a numpty 😖

[prowla]

13 minutes ago, MacDaddy said:

 

Which is what I meant. Original post edited admitting I'm a numpty 😖

Not quite so numptyish, as TE used to use XLRs for speakers.

Also, some cabs have combo Speakon/jack sockets; my Markbass ones do.

[MacDaddy]

16 minutes ago, prowla said:

Not quite so numptyish, as TE used to use XLRs for speakers.

Also, some cabs have combo Speakon/jack sockets; my Markbass ones do.

 

 

[Stub Mandrel]

Took my Elf and PJB C2 to the bass bash. It can just keep up with an unamplified drummer at rehearsal, but not a bass bash...

[msb]

I’ve found you have to sit right in front of the C2 , it’s directional , doesn’t really fill a room. 
However it’s perfect for quiet practice.

[Stub Mandrel]

4 hours ago, msb said:

I’ve found you have to sit right in front of the C2 , it’s directional , doesn’t really fill a room. 
However it’s perfect for quiet practice.

 

I use  it as my practice rig with a 50W Joyo Badass. Sounds great, just not loud.

[MacDaddy]

The fan is surprisingly loud. Can't imagine it's an issue at a gig though.

Sounds great 😸 

[ossyrocks]

9 minutes ago, MacDaddy said:

The fan is surprisingly loud. Can't imagine it's an issue at a gig though.

Sounds great 😸 

The fan is quite loud yes. We've had discussions on here about it. Somewhere, maybe in this thread, I posted pics of the fan. I'm sure quieter replacements could be found, but I only use mine for playing out and never at home. When playing out, it's never an issue.

 

Rob

[Stub Mandrel]

10 hours ago, ossyrocks said:

The fan is quite loud yes. We've had discussions on here about it. Somewhere, maybe in this thread, I posted pics of the fan. I'm sure quieter replacements could be found, but I only use mine for playing out and never at home. When playing out, it's never an issue.

 

Rob

 

I fear a quieter fan may be is because it doesn't shift enough air.

[Chienmortbb]

10 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

I fear a quieter fan may be is because it doesn't shift enough air.

I did some research on this a few years ago and the so-called quiet fans all run at reduced voltage and therefore run slower, moving less air (something us bassists should resist). Lower airflow means less cooling effect. I am  sure @agedhorse can shine more light on this but in general, higher fan speed means more noise, that is air-turbulence noise. The other noise is from vibration which, if I am not mistaken, comes from unbalanced fan blades. This can be amplified by the design of the enclosure and, as an enclosure redesign is out of the question, the only answer is isolation. That is using some sort of shock absorbing mount rather than screws.

 

With the Elf, I rather suspect that the room inside is limited so the scope for change will be small.

[PinkMohawk]

14 hours ago, Chienmortbb said:

I did some research on this a few years ago and the so-called quiet fans all run at reduced voltage and therefore run slower, moving less air (something us bassists should resist). Lower airflow means less cooling effect. I am  sure @agedhorse can shine more light on this but in general, higher fan speed means more noise, that is air-turbulence noise. The other noise is from vibration which, if I am not mistaken, comes from unbalanced fan blades. This can be amplified by the design of the enclosure and, as an enclosure redesign is out of the question, the only answer is isolation. That is using some sort of shock absorbing mount rather than screws.

 

With the Elf, I rather suspect that the room inside is limited so the scope for change will be small.

It'd be worth looking at Noctua, they may make something small enough, though the Elf's are truly tiny, so it may just be the case that no-one is making quality fans that small. Noctua primarily have a reputation, amongst PC enthusiasts at least, for very quiet and very effective cooling solutions for PC's and servers, so I'd think they'd be the best bet, though enterprise focused companies may have a better product at that size. 

[Downunderwonder]

A very simple solution to intrusive fan noise at home is put the amp in a box with the knobs poking through.

 

Peace of mind air gaps so no chance of heat building up inside.

 

Bigger brains than mine convinced me the through panel conduction radiation of a sealed box is enough to keep the inside temperature rise unbelievably small.

 

As you please.

[bremen]

All the above is true; it's unlikely youll get a quiet fan that shifts as much air.

 

Don't risk it. I have a few thousands quidswotth of recorder here that I killed trying to escape its fan noise.

 

If its really unacceptable, Agedhorse's solution might be the one if you arrange a larger, slower running fan to blow through the box.

[Chienmortbb]

8 hours ago, PinkMohawk said:

It'd be worth looking at Noctua, they may make something small enough, though the Elf's are truly tiny, so it may just be the case that no-one is making quality fans that small. Noctua primarily have a reputation, amongst PC enthusiasts at least, for very quiet and very effective cooling solutions for PC's and servers, so I'd think they'd be the best bet, though enterprise focused companies may have a better product at that size. 

Noctua are one of the companies that claim low noise but only achieve the headline figure by reducing the fan voltage/speed. That does no mean that they are no good just that you should fit the noise reduction cable advisedly. 

[Chienmortbb]

2 minutes ago, bremen said:

All the above is true; it's unlikely youll get a quiet fan that shifts as much air.

 

Don't risk it. I have a few thousands quidswotth of recorder here that I killed trying to escape its fan noise.

 

If its really unacceptable, Agedhorse's solution might be the one if you arrange a larger, slower running fan to blow through the box.

Yes, reducing the speed reduces both vibration and air turbulence, although air turbulence at the hearsink or main areas of heat generation,  can help. If you reduce the speed, increasing the fan size makes up for the loss of airflow. 

[agedhorse]

You better be sure that whatever solution you choose actually achieves the necessary cooling. I see a fair number of DIY solutions that fall far short of this goal, sometimes with costly consequences.

[Downunderwonder]

https://www.basschat.co.uk/topic/471088-diy-250w-combo/

The whole story on an amp inside a cabinet being safe from overheating.

[MacDaddy]

Has anyone used their Elf as a DI box?

Is that a thing?