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[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1342283794' post='1732825']
I swapped out ceramics for NEO'S and the result was weak. The volume was pretty much there but the cab didn't work....... And it might be argued that I didn't prepare the cab for the new chassis' but others who did it said it worked very well.
I couldnt agree less..... And subsequent NEO cabs I've used have the same sort of feeling.... Close but not the cigar for me..
How do I explain that....? I can't. Maybe I don't like the 'sound' of NEO... ???
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Probably more to it than just the magnets. Unless the NEO's had exactly the same driver characteristics as the ceramics they replaced it's more likely that the cabinet size and tuning was off.

I just dropped by this thread because I've used a Barefaced Big One for a couple of years now and it is very lightweight for a 15/6 config cab - about 40 pounds. I'm still amazed at how this cab pumps it out, very loiud, very even across the whole frequency range and as articulate as I'd ever want. Haven't had cab GAS since getting it.

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Good thread. Really brings home that nothing new has happened in bass equipment since the invention of the electric bass, except advances in speaker design, which make all else possible. Now that light weight, compactness, great sound, and enough efficiency to handle outdoor gigs are all available at the same time, it has to be a 2x15 to have it all in one box. Unless there's a repeal of the laws of physics, this is as good as it will ever get. Too bad we didn't have these cabs back in the 60s!

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[quote name='kurosawa' timestamp='1350871340' post='1844544']
Good thread. Really brings home that nothing new has happened in bass equipment since the invention of the electric bass, except advances in speaker design, which make all else possible. Now that light weight, compactness, great sound, and enough efficiency to handle outdoor gigs are all available at the same time, it has to be a 2x15 to have it all in one box. Unless there's a repeal of the laws of physics, this is as good as it will ever get. Too bad we didn't have these cabs back in the 60s!
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Not entirely sure why you think it has to be a 215....

You need to hear a BF Big Twin, which is a 2x12 plus 6inch mid range horn and a tweeter. Not your average 12 inch drivers in there at all btw.

Given a grunty enough amp it will chuck out more useable volume than almost anything else I've heard.

Having said that the new beta 112 cab Alex brought along to the SE Bass Bash was the nicest single 12 I've ever heard, and the only one I've heard that really carried in a full band set up well enough to be used in a rehearsal. Totally epic little thing. We did destroy it in the end, but only after someone dumped over 1Kw into it by mistake!

That has one of the most 'secret sauce' 12 inch drivers I've ever heard of, very very clever design indeed....

As for nothing else has changed since the 50's, have you not tried any of the new lightweight amps at all? My rig chucks out 500w of clean power, it is massively loud. My amp weighs less than anything else in the rig except its ABS rack case. It utilises a switch mode ('digital') power supply, but other than that ia an all analogue head. Amazing leap forward in technology!

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[quote name='viss1700' timestamp='1353185670' post='1872632']
My new Vanderkley 310MNT lightweight cab; 3x10 inch with bullit; only 23 kg
In combination with my MPP-1 and Lab Gruppen FP2600 thr best rig i 've ever played.
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That rack doesn't exactly look lightweight though!

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used to have SWR Mo bass, Goliaths (2 - 4x10's) and thought it was great. Then 've modernised and now have the Genz Benz Streamliner with a pair of Vanderkley 112 & 210. These cabs are great together with the GB. The clarity is there, you hear everything and the portability of them makes a huge difference to gigging. A bass on a back, amp on your shoulder and a cab in your hand, you're out before the singer!

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Purchased my very 1st Barefaced cab at the weekend from a nice gentlemen on basschat. A Super 12T (to replace my Schroeder 1212L) only a year old and hardly used.

I am currently using a Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0 and it took me some time to get used to the sound. It seemed easier to get the sound I wanted from the Barefaced :) amazingly powerful, great sounding and lightweight :) perfect.

Just want to find the perfect amp to compliment it now.

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TKS in Sweden (tks.se) are making lightweight cabs. Never tried one, but according to the swedish sisterforum pratabas.se (speak bass) they are good sounding.


Translated to english.
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Schroeder 2x10 (Punch Line series), 36 pounds. Nice massive low end, powered by a Carvin 250-watt Microbass. The pair of ten-inch speakers in a roomy but light cabinet deliver a whole different level of tone than my former Schroeder 1x12--which was a fabulous speaker. There just isn't any comparison.

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Finally got to try out my Venderkley 212MNT and Aguilar Tone Hammer combination yesterday, it's the first rig I've had that the whole band commented on how good it sounded, on it's own it was a bit bright sounding for my liking even with the tweeter turned off but sounded fantastic with the whole band playing.

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Here's mine, hard working little rig, at rehearsal and at a rainy festival last year. That's not me, it's the keyboard player of course, but was the only pic which included my little rig! I gambled on such a tiny set up for a large open air stage but it took it in its stride with ease. Plenty loud and fat enough.





Could have cropped the picture but wanted to show it's size in context. (Red flight case is not mine)

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I have a Zoot 4x10 and I can sprint up stairs with it. I can skip as I carry it to the car. I haven't lifted a Purple Chili one, but I guess they're made the same way with the same drivers, they're just a bit more purple and a bit less fluffy.

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[quote name='4 Strings' timestamp='1363770622' post='2017165']
Here's mine, hard working little rig, at rehearsal and at a rainy festival last year. That's not me, it's the keyboard player of course, but was the only pic which included my little rig! I gambled on such a tiny set up for a large open air stage but it took it in its stride with ease. Plenty loud and fat enough.

Could have cropped the picture but wanted to show it's size in context. (Red flight case is not mine)
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Thats such a cute capable little rig, if I wasn't swapping tones so often I'd look at the GB amps, but BF cabs are just the business.

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[quote name='BandmasterPete' timestamp='1358805829' post='1945514']
TKS in Sweden (tks.se) are making lightweight cabs. Never tried one, but according to the swedish sisterforum pratabas.se (speak bass) they are good sounding.


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TKS is just half a mile from my house. Tommy, the head(!) of the one man company, is a really nice guy making some astonishingly good cabs. I took my (former) rig, consisting of a Genz Benz ShM 12.0 and two Eden D112XLT to a side-by-side shootout. The "cheap" TKS 2128 cab did a good job against two D112XLT's. More bottom end at the same volume. The more expensive, yet not that loud, D2126 slaughtered all competition. That cab has a very flat response, like a studio monitor. I had to cut back the lows and low mids on the amp from 2 o'clock to 11 o'clock and still it was way deeper than the D112XLT's. Due to the flat response it is not that efficient, but that's the nature of things. My next cab will be a TKS D2126, 2x12" + 1x6" (no tweeter) at 57 lbs. Maybe two...

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This setup sounds really good too:

I have a "test week" with two TKS D212 cabs and my Eden WT1205. This setup sounds sooo good. The cabs has 2x12" and a tweeter each.
They are lighter than the 2126 at some 50 lbs each, you can carry a cab with one hand without a problem.

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