tegs07 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 26 minutes ago, Misdee said: I'm as old as I am and I'm not trying to hide it from anyone. The point is that Glastonbury trades on it's history as a counterculture event despite the reality that it's now a bastion of the establishment. It's the Wimbledon of rock festivals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misdee Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, Bolo said: Best call nurse, you've forgotten to take your meds again. Okay, I've called a nurse but the escort agency says it will be at least an hour until she can get here. I'll watch some Glastonbury in the meantime and see if I can warm to it a bit more. If that falls I'll do as you suggest and resort to drugs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 55 minutes ago, Supernaut said: How to sound ancient in one sentence. Still right, no matter how it makes anyone sound. Getting old is a privilege denied to many, we should be proud to have survived, not ashamed. I was at some great gigs and festivals in the 70s, and I am playing at a festival tomorrow. True free festivals are a thing of the past, killed off in the mid 80s after the battle of the bean field. I mourn their passing. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misdee Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) The thing is, for the most part Glastonbury is a celebration of old people's music. Most of the bands on the bill(but not all, I hasten to add) are playing music that is not remotely new and is referential to music from previous generations. Despite all their efforts to be "relevant" and "representative", Glastonbury is primarily a celebration of Dad Rock and it's traditional and reassuring values. Rock music belongs to old people. They invented it. Edited July 1, 2022 by Misdee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Misdee said: I'm as old as I am and I'm not trying to hide it from anyone. The point is that Glastonbury trades on it's history as a counterculture event despite the reality that it's now a bastion of the establishment. It's the Wimbledon of rock festivals. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Misdee said: The thing is, for the most part Glastonbury is a celebration of old people's music. Most of the bands on the bill(but not all, I hasten to add) are playing music that is not remotely new and is referential to music from previous generations. Despite all their efforts to be "relevant" and "representative", Glastonbury is primarily a celebration of Dad Rock and it's traditional and reassuring values. Rock music belongs to old people. They invented it. Some could argue that old dudes in Mali many generations ago sowed the seeds of rock music. It gestated in the USA under the guise of the blues, was combined with some European folk and C&W and was later re-invented in the UK in the mid to late 1960s before morphing further into different branches. It’s all just progression. Edited July 1, 2022 by tegs07 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Misdee said: I'm as old as I am and I'm not trying to hide it from anyone. The point is that Glastonbury trades on it's history as a counterculture event despite the reality that it's now a bastion of the establishment. It's the Wimbledon of rock festivals. It is a fact Glast is now part of the season for the chinless hoorays along with Wimbers, Henley Regatta, Royal Ascot, Glyndebourne etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 8 hours ago, FinnDave said: Still right, no matter how it makes anyone sound. Getting old is a privilege denied to many, we should be proud to have survived, not ashamed. I was at some great gigs and festivals in the 70s, and I am playing at a festival tomorrow. True free festivals are a thing of the past, killed off in the mid 80s after the battle of the bean field. I mourn their passing. I'm not against old people - I am against anyone who believes that because they're older, they must know best. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 59 minutes ago, Supernaut said: I'm not against old people - I am against anyone who believes that because they're older, they must know best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz39 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Supernaut said: I'm not against old people - I am against anyone who believes that because they're older, they must know best. Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Supernaut said: I'm not against old people - I am against anyone who believes that because they're older, they must know best. I'm getting on a bit, and like the music I have always liked - but I wouldn't tell someone else that they should like it just because I do. Young people liking music from 40-50 years ago suggests a lack of progress. I certainly didn't like the music my dad listened to, and still don't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nail Soup Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Caught up on First Aid Kit. Brilliant- one of the highlights for me. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekomatic Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Since last time I’ve watched Blossoms (good effort from my homeboys, I’d be happy to see them live one day), Khruangbin (not at all bad) and Billie Eilish (didn’t blow me away, but clearly gave the crowd what they wanted). What more is there to say about this? It is what it is: clearly not the same thing it used to be once upon a time, clearly a massive commercial machine now, but equally clearly not just mainstream pop, or just dad rock, or just anything else it’s accused of being. And, thankfully, not the only festival there is to choose from, so people who want a festival but not like that can surely find one. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles'tone Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 I first went to Glastonbury in 1992, back when there was still a big traveller presence and you could easily bunk in for nothing Even then there were plenty of old hippies that were complaining that Glastonbury wasn't what it used to be... It's been in a constant state of evolution since the beginning. As has society. Also, due now to digital streaming platforms, all music is relevant, present and available in the same places instantly, therefore dissolving any previous generation gaps...imo 😉 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 I attempted to watch Raisin Murpy's set earlier... Despite all the positive comments here I found it a bit painful. It was like, faking the funk - a reasonable backing band playing funk-by-numbers; they were all hiding at the back of the stage somewhere while Ms Burpy strode about in a completely out of time fashion, occasionally doing some sort of "dance move" which was even more out of time and generally a bit bizarre. Then she strapped on a weird green thing, strode about a bit more in her big trousers and somebody started with a horrible electronic cymbal thing which just pecked at me 'ed. So I turned it off and watched Bootsy Live At North Sea Jazz Festival dvd instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said: I attempted to watch Raisin Murpy's set earlier... Despite all the positive comments here I found it a bit painful. It was like, faking the funk - a reasonable backing band playing funk-by-numbers; they were all hiding at the back of the stage somewhere while Ms Burpy strode about in a completely out of time fashion, occasionally doing some sort of "dance move" which was even more out of time and generally a bit bizarre. Then she strapped on a weird green thing, strode about a bit more in her big trousers and somebody started with a horrible electronic cymbal thing which just pecked at me 'ed. So I turned it off and watched Bootsy Live At North Sea Jazz Festival dvd instead. You sound like someone who really likes Turner and Constable describing a Dali painting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, tegs07 said: Dali painting. I don't think Turner and Drinkstable are necessarily comparable - Turner was far more impressionist and Constibule more idealised. Neither of which apply to Mrs Moloko. Dali, however, was surrealist in a "that's fookin' mad, that!" sort of way, whereas Ms. Murphy was only surreal in the same way that someone might say "that's surreal" when actually they meant something else entirely. In her case, the sort of art I'd compare her to is this amazing restoration: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said: I don't think Turner and Drinkstable are necessarily comparable - Turner was far more impressionist and Constibule more idealised. Neither of which apply to Mrs Moloko. Dali, however, was surrealist in a "that's fookin' mad, that!" sort of way, whereas Ms. Murphy was only surreal in the same way that someone might say "that's surreal" when actually they meant something else entirely. In her case, the sort of art I'd compare her to is this amazing restoration: Fair enough. I always thought of Turner and Constable as Romanticists who largely painted landscapes based upon what they could see albeit in an idealised manner. Dali painted surreal images, often ugly but containing beauty and challenged the viewer. But then I don’t know much about art, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekomatic Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 55 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said: I attempted to watch Raisin Murpy's set earlier... Despite all the positive comments here I found it a bit painful. See, this is why music is so great, because you and I can watch and hear exactly the same thing and have such utterly different opinions on it. I mean, obviously mine is right and yours is comprehensively and irredeemably wrong, but it’s great that you have it. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, nekomatic said: ...I mean, obviously mine is right and yours is comprehensively and irredeemably wrong, but it’s great that you have it. Wrong, maybe, but not alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpace Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Finally got around to watching Paul McCartney at Glastonbury. Absolutely loved it! Great band, and he can still sing and play, great performances. But songwriting for me trumps everything, and what an amazing collection of songs. Also great video quality, Ultra HD and HDR, and I thought the audio was good too. Love that he thanked the tech crew too. Not sure Dave Grohl added much but I enjoyed Springsteen's bit. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 On 01/07/2022 at 10:35, Misdee said: The thing is, for the most part Glastonbury is a celebration of old people's music. Most of the bands on the bill(but not all, I hasten to add) are playing music that is not remotely new and is referential to music from previous generations. Despite all their efforts to be "relevant" and "representative", Glastonbury is primarily a celebration of Dad Rock and it's traditional and reassuring values. Rock music belongs to old people. They invented it. Possibly. But looking at a lot of the audiences, it obviously still appeals to a lot of the younger generation(s). And a lot of younger artists are playing tock. Music is music is music. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 3 hours ago, MrSpace said: Not sure Dave Grohl added much but I enjoyed Springsteen's bit. It was charming to see Bruce and Dave, themselves huge mega stars, suddenly look like little school boys who couldn't quite believe that they were on stage with Macca, an ex Beatle. They were totally in awe! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 13 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said: I attempted to watch Raisin Murpy's set earlier... Despite all the positive comments here I found it a bit painful. It was like, faking the funk - a reasonable backing band playing funk-by-numbers; they were all hiding at the back of the stage somewhere while Ms Burpy strode about in a completely out of time fashion, occasionally doing some sort of "dance move" which was even more out of time and generally a bit bizarre. Then she strapped on a weird green thing, strode about a bit more in her big trousers and somebody started with a horrible electronic cymbal thing which just pecked at me 'ed. So I turned it off and watched Bootsy Live At North Sea Jazz Festival dvd instead. I thought I'd see what it was about, so I watched the "Incapable" video. It was four minutes of building to something which I thought would be tremendous, but actually turns out to be the same but with a bit of added percussion. Watch the first minute, and if you're not one of the target demographic (ie. it hasn't exactly captivated you) move on to about five minutes in, then sample a bit of the last minute or two. If it had been two minutes long, fine, but it was coming on for none minutes long. Anybody who likes that but criticises prog for self-indulgence should be smacked in the face with a Rickenbacker. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 8 hours ago, tauzero said: ... none minutes long... If only..! 'Sigh' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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