AM1 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Yeah - as the question goes, is the music scene at an all time low?? Online downloading just seems to have killed off bands making money and even touring bands are not exactly rolling in it. Why are there no new decent bands appearing?? The music scene is SO commercialised now, it's depressing. Any thoughts...am I alone in feeling like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB26354 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Interestingly I read in the London Paper today that last year UK bands made more money (£1.28bn) from touring than from selling records (£1.24bn) for the first time in years, indicating that most bands are having to go on the road to make even a decent living. When they do tour I'd imagine that the majority of it is outside the UK, probably mainland Europe, the US and the Far East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='AM1' post='463379' date='Apr 15 2009, 08:46 PM']Online downloading just seems to have killed off bands making money and even touring bands are not exactly rolling in it. ... The music scene is SO commercialised now,[/quote] Damn those commercialised people stopping us from... making money. I'm not sure I followed your post, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubinga5 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) It depends on what music scene you follow..If its popular music like all the 'haircut bands' as i heard someone say on here, its allways bored me...they all sound the same....Its why i HATE Radio 1, and love Radio 2, Smooth FM, ETC There are people/bands out there bringing out superb albums that are not in the press..you just have to find them.. etc Edited April 15, 2009 by bubinga5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubinga5 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='463390' date='Apr 15 2009, 09:00 PM']Damn those commercialised people stopping us from... making money. I'm not sure I followed your post, really.[/quote] I think she means the sound i commercialised?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bremen Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='AM1' post='463379' date='Apr 15 2009, 08:46 PM']Yeah - as the question goes, is the music scene at an all time low?? Online downloading just seems to have killed off bands making money and even touring bands are not exactly rolling in it. Why are there no new decent bands appearing?? The music scene is SO commercialised now, it's depressing. Any thoughts...am I alone in feeling like this?[/quote] I've always hated 99% of what I've heard. All that's changed is that I no longer know where to go to hear the 1%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bremen Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='bubinga5' post='463392' date='Apr 15 2009, 09:05 PM']I think she means the sound i commercialised??[/quote] Always has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo_Grimmer Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='XB26354' post='463386' date='Apr 15 2009, 08:55 PM']Interestingly I read in the London Paper today that last year UK bands made more money (£1.28bn) from touring than from selling records (£1.24bn) for the first time in years, indicating that most bands are having to go on the road to make even a decent living. When they do tour I'd imagine that the majority of it is outside the UK, probably mainland Europe, the US and the Far East.[/quote] Oh no! Look's like we'll have to get off our arse's and do what we do best. [quote name='bubinga5' post='463391' date='Apr 15 2009, 09:01 PM']It depends on what music scene you follow..If its popular music like all the 'haircut bands' as i heard someone say on here, its allways bored me...they all sound the same[/quote] haircut band that's great. We're looking into i tunes downloads and online sales ect. gig's are the main priority at the mo. we are in worrying times. But on the up side check out how NIN are dealing with the downloading and stuff. Wow! trent really has his head screwed on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGit Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I think this has been posted regularly since Henry the VIIIth wrote Greensleeves ... It's much, much, better for the vast majority - ie the marginal bands and performers as they can get airplay (unsigned bands on national BBC Radio 2 programmes shock!) and release home made CD's for piddlin' amounts of investment. Commercial will always be commercial and tickets for big names concerts will always be stupidly expensive ... but you can still buy a CD at a non mainstream band's gig for less than a gallon of petrol ... . There's myspace to get yoru music out there and places like CDNOW where "unsigned" bands can sell their stuff to the world.... Can't see the problem myself ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golchen Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 well as far as I'm concerned the all time low was the one finger synth bands of the 80's. Boy did I hate that stuff. At the moment I hear the odd record that I like, not that I ever listen to music on the radio - I prefer talk sport or 5 live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='AM1' post='463379' date='Apr 15 2009, 08:46 PM']Yeah - as the question goes, is the music scene at an all time low?? Online downloading just seems to have killed off bands making money and even touring bands are not exactly rolling in it. Why are there no new decent bands appearing?? The music scene is SO commercialised now, it's depressing. Any thoughts...am I alone in feeling like this?[/quote] The music scene is probably better than it's ever been for diversity and the ability to find new and exciting bands. Whatever your taste in music no matter how mainstream or obscure there will be someone out there making wonderful music that is pretty much exactly what you want to hear. The only problem is finding it. That generally means actually doing some work and maybe listening to some crap along the way but if you make the effort the rewards are there for the listening. There's always been lowest common denominator commercial music around and it's nearly always been brainless rubbish don't worry about that go and find something you think is exciting instead. BTW what bands do you like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHimself Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 It's funny because i was just on about this on another forum. Actually it was to do with that scottish woman on BGT. Basically what i was saying was that women can't make it in the music industry unless they're highly good looking (see i'm not the sexist pig you take me for ) because sex sells. The fact is that 90% of the general population only buy music that record companies give them because of how good looking the singer is. Due to the fact that sex and money is human nature i'm pretty sure that this has always been the case. Real bands are always going to struggle to get into the sort of mainstream market that most people get into so that means that they won't be very rich. Having said that, i think that the people who do buy proper music are less likely to download using limewire or similar. It's a nice idea to think perhaps that one day people will fail to make money out of manufactured bands simply because the people who listen to it don't care enough about music to pay for it. Then the only music on the market will be for people who actually appreciate music. Probably won't happen but it makes a nice thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='EdwardHimself' post='463416' date='Apr 15 2009, 09:32 PM']90% of the general population only buy music that record companies give them because of how good looking the singer is. ... Real bands are always going to struggle[/quote] There is an obvious solution to all this of course: Get a really hot singer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMa Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 (edited) Id say the quality has lowered a lot,i hate to say it but i think this is due to people not being able to play as well,plus teenagers favorite bands seem to be bands i liked when i was a teenager RHCP, misfits, nirvana etc,surely this is wrong? and there favourite bands should be someone fresh. One thing that has suprised me is that goth exploded and didnt die a death all these kids going round in black,its really funny. Maybe the fact that so much technology is about and easy to get hold of.If guitar pro had been around when i learned guitar i doubt i would have spent as much time training my ears and just listening,also i spent a lot of time trying to scout out previous influcences so spent time listening to my dads stuff like the velvets,stones,beatles etc. I doubt if my fathers favourite band had been something 80s i would have ever become as interested in guitars. Edited April 15, 2009 by YouMa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM1 Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='YouMa' post='463430' date='Apr 15 2009, 09:50 PM']Id say the quality has lowered a lot,i hate to say it but i think this is due to people not being able to play as well,plus teenagers favorite bands seem to be bands i liked when i was a teenager RHCP, misfits, nirvana etc,surely this is wrong? and there favourite bands should be someone fresh. One thing that has suprised me is that goth exploded and didnt die a death all these kids going round in black,its really funny. Maybe the fact that so much technology is about and easy to get hold of.If guitar pro had been around when i learned guitar i doubt i would have spent as much time training my ears and just listening,also i spent a lot of time trying to scout out previous influcences so spent time listening to my dads stuff like the velvets,stones,beatles etc. I doubt if my fathers favourite band had been something 80s i would have ever become as interested in guitars.[/quote] That's exactly what I mean by commercialised. It's not about talent, it's about marketability. The quality is dire...unless you really, really dig around. All the bands I liked as a teenager are what I'm still listening to! Purely because there's so little around that can match up it in terms of musicality. Music isn't about talent now, it's about sex/marketing as others said, f***ing depressing. I can't remember the last time I listened to a signed band and got excited by what I heard. Probably 1995. This is a truly crap time for good music, compared to the late 80s/early 90s.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AM1 Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='XB26354' post='463386' date='Apr 15 2009, 08:55 PM']Interestingly I read in the London Paper today that last year UK bands made more money (£1.28bn) from touring than from selling records (£1.24bn) for the first time in years, indicating that most bands are having to go on the road to make even a decent living. When they do tour I'd imagine that the majority of it is outside the UK, probably mainland Europe, the US and the Far East.[/quote] Heya Mat That's interesting about the touring. And yes, the music scene in the UK seems to have died a death, Europe scene is definitely more alive! What is causing this?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouMa Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='AM1' post='463445' date='Apr 15 2009, 10:05 PM']That's exactly what I mean by commercialised. It's not about talent, it's about marketability. The quality is dire...unless you really, really dig around. All the bands I liked as a teenager are what I'm still listening to! Purely because there's so little around that can match up it in terms of musicality. Music isn't about talent now, it's about sex/marketing as others said, f***ing depressing. I can't remember the last time I listened to a signed band and got excited by what I heard. Probably 1995. This is a truly crap time for good music, compared to the late 80s/early 90s..[/quote] I think you are right on that one,i think that period where you had bands like janes addiction,Ride,Stone roses was the last really decent period for chart music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigman Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='AM1' post='463379' date='Apr 15 2009, 08:46 PM']Yeah - as the question goes, is the music scene at an all time low?? Online downloading just seems to have killed off bands making money and even touring bands are not exactly rolling in it.[/quote] I disagree.....after years in the doldrums, the internet has opened us up to whole new audiences and we are touring again after many years off. If it wasn't for the internet we'd be sucking on our pipes and donning our comfy slippers rather than jetting off round europe to 'entertain' a whole new generation of manic depressive teenagers!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='AM1' post='463445' date='Apr 15 2009, 10:05 PM']All the bands I liked as a teenager are what I'm still listening to![/quote] You'll probably find that people from all previous generations are doing the same thing, and complaining that modern music is rubbish. It isn't, of course, it's just that you're old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 it seems to me that some point back when the punk stuff (quite rightly) threw out all the crap of prog and older rock to simplify it down. Thats cool, cos if you know how to do something not doing it makes a point. But then the guys who learn off you never learn the things you're not doing. So popular music becomes slowly dumbed down. add to that the instant nature of our culture then sitting inside practicing scales and learning theory is a bit odd. why you can be a rock star now! so agian it gets a bit dumber. When i first started playing bass, I also worked at a lot of the big gigs in edinburgh for one of the big scottish promotions companies. Mostly indie bands, honestly I strugled to see most them doing stuff i couldnt do after only a year of teaching myself my first instrument. case in point is that the really really good musicians in the popular genres really really stand out. Go watch yeah yeah yeahs on later on the iplayer, whatever your opinion of the music I havnt seen a drummer that good in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tait Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='463469' date='Apr 15 2009, 10:23 PM']You'll probably find that people from all previous generations are doing the same thing, and complaining that modern music is rubbish. It isn't, of course, it's just that you're old.[/quote] no... it is. i can't think of a really good album thats come out in the last 6 months, i don't think ive bought one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clauster Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 1. 95% of commercial music has always been crap - there's the instigators and the rest of them are just launched to make a buck for record companies 2. Everyone likes the stuff the listened two in their teens 3. There's still great music being made out there - find a radio station that specialises in your favourite genre and put it on. Thanks to xfm I found the Black Keys when I first started listening. My latest find is Frank Turner (like Billy Bragg but can actually sing). Every couple of months over the last six years I've found something that genuinely "pumps my 'nads" Interesting point about live music though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escholl Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 i see what you're trying to say AM1, and i sort of agree -- but i find if anything, there's much, much more diversity than there ever was, there's certainly not less opportunities -- if anything there's more than there's ever been, thanks to the internet. i seem to be coming across new bands every week, bands could never have reached me if this was 20 years ago. also, as far as i've ever known, the majority of bands have always made their money through touring. plus we're entering a new age now where artists can have a direct connection with their fans, and fully take control of what they want to do -- just look to people like Amanda Palmer for examples of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBeefChief Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 [quote name='LWTAIT' post='463489' date='Apr 15 2009, 10:48 PM']no... it is. i can't think of a really good album thats come out in the last 6 months, i don't think ive bought one.[/quote] There we have it. Proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenochrome Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 No I don't agree, I'm sure that you (and me for that matter) just haven't discovered the current good stuff yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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