mario_buoninfante Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Hi all, Has anybody tried any of the "new" Laney pedals? I'm particularly curious about the Digbeth preamp and the Bass-Interval, but reality is all of them look interesting. Does anybody know if they are true bypass? Cheers, Mario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 I hope not. True bypass is usually a terrible idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario_buoninfante Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, fretmeister said: I hope not. True bypass is usually a terrible idea. I'm really interested in this, why do you think it's a terrible idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario_buoninfante Posted July 6, 2022 Author Share Posted July 6, 2022 Just found out they are not true bypass. Got the answer from their Service Support: The audio signal is fully buffered at all times, and not true bypass. The buffers are fully transparent and provide an excellent constant load to reduce any losses etc. I also realised, after the fact, that it was stated in the manuals too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornats Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 If I get to try one in my local PMT I'll report back to let you know what I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) On 05/07/2022 at 20:19, mario_buoninfante said: I'm really interested in this, why do you think it's a terrible idea? Signal degradation on long signal runs with high end attenuation Noisy clacking when switching on and off. Often pickup environment noise The fad about true bypass started because some buffered pedals had poor quality buffers in them. Here's Vai / Zappa's guitar tech explaining it with Pete Thorn A good buffered pedal is always better than a true bypass one. "Tone suck" - usually that high end roll off - is caused by the long cable run that a TB pedal preserves because there isn't a buffer. Most amusingly the so-called boutique pedal industry has led to more TB pedals giving longer signal paths.... and because of that there is now a wide variety of standalone buffers to be mounted onto pedal boards. The pointlessness of a TB pedal has actually caused people to need a new product on their board! It's amazingly ironic. They just need to stick a Boss TU-3 at the front as a tuner and all the Tone Suck disappears instantly! Edited July 7, 2022 by fretmeister 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) I have the Laney Digbeth. I like it. very quiet in the chain, does a nice tube gain. single mosfet or tube or blend them together if desired. XLR out to the desk. Tone Blend knob works really well, lots of options. solid as a brick Its replaced my DHA VT-EQ2 so it can't be bad. I also use a TU 3 tuner at the start of the chain for buffering. Edited July 7, 2022 by skidder652003 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 On 05/07/2022 at 20:19, mario_buoninfante said: I'm really interested in this, why do you think it's a terrible idea? True bypass was/is one of those guitarist fads, someone came up wit the idea that lots of pedals with buffers was a bad idea so pushed the idea of true bypass where the input is directer connected to the output of a pedal when the effect is OFF. It is one of those ideas that has a grain of truth in that multiple pedals concatenated = multiple noise generators. However all you favorite BOSS pedals were/are buffered and a well designed buffer (its not hard to design a good one) will not affect your sound and you need buffer at some stage especially the end of the chain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario_buoninfante Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) I see the point about the true bypass. I personally still think it's a good idea. I don't usually play with really long cables and only use few pedals, so I think I'm fine. but it's an interesting topic. buffered pedals cause tone suck too, not all of them though found a couple of interesting things here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4eEzqSRReA this (https://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/latest-updates/the-truth-about-true-bypass) talks about both, and it ends with: "You could do what I do: use true bypass pedals, and build (or buy) a dedicated buffer to run in front of them. That way you get the strength of the buffer to drive your signal home to the amp, and you can rest assured that your bypass tone will be untouched by tone goblins." this not to say one is better than the other. I think my conclusion is: as long as you know what you are doing, you'll be fine - aka check your buffered pedals and don't chain 7 true bypass pedals! Edited July 7, 2022 by mario_buoninfante Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario_buoninfante Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 3 hours ago, skidder652003 said: I have the Laney Digbeth. I like it. very quiet in the chain, does a nice tube gain. single mosfet or tube or blend them together if desired. XLR out to the desk. Tone Blend knob works really well, lots of options. solid as a brick Its replaced my DHA VT-EQ2 so it can't be bad. I also use a TU 3 tuner at the start of the chain for buffering. does it have an actual tube, or is it an emulation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinB Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Emulation, but it sounds pretty good. There seems to be a low-pass filter on the tube channel, which means the DI signal doesn't get all fizzy when you turn up the gain 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mario_buoninfante Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 nice! I have to say I watched few videos and I like it. I like the tilt feature and the EQ too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassmidget209 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 I have the preamp as well and it's pretty good. Really flexible eq and switchable drive is something I have really appreciated (also having drive at the end of my chain has proven to be very useful). One thing I thought would be really useful but I never use is the tilt. I've played around with it but not found the real benefit yet. Everyone uses different things though so I'm sure someone gets full use out of it but if that's the only reason you would go for this you may not be fully satisfied. I would also say it is one of the cheapest DIs out right now considering its feature set. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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