spencer.b Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Had enough of lugging my ceramics around , ideally single cab , currently using a pair of berg hd112 , love the sound and I'll keep em but want something lighter as well Edited July 19, 2022 by spencer.b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) Neo cabs aren't necessarily lighter. For instance, one of the most common tens is the Eminence Beta 10. It weighs 3.1 kg. The neo Deltalite II 2510 weighs 2.1 kg. In a 410 the driver weight difference is only 4 kg. Neos are quite a bit lighter when you're talking about premium drivers, but most bass cabs don't use premium drivers. It's a different story with the cab material. A 120 mm x 240mm sheet of 18mm Italian Poplar weighs 21 kg, the same size of MDF in 15mm thickness weighs twice that. You have to look at the weight of the finished cab, not just the driver magnet material. Edited July 18, 2022 by Bill Fitzmaurice 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Hartke Hydrive 15" cab = 51.6lb - Neo TKS 115H cab = 30.8lb - Ceramic Just to illustrate @Bill Fitzmaurice point; I have both of these cabs and I can assure you the weight difference is appreciable yet the lightest cab is NOT neo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I love my Barefaced Super Twin. 18kg, wheels, 1200W handling, 4ohms. It’s ace. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankai Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, fretmeister said: I love my Barefaced Super Twin. 18kg, wheels, 1200W handling, 4ohms. It’s ace. Yes, it is pretty much the perfect one-cab solution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwilym Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 44 minutes ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said: 120 mm x 240mm sheet of 18mm Italian Poplar weighs 21 kg mm or cm? Stonehenge! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, fretmeister said: I love my Barefaced Super Twin. 18kg, wheels, 1200W handling, 4ohms. It’s ace. Or 17kg with cloth grille rather than metal. I looked at a few one-cab solutions and the Super Twin came out on top. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 51 minutes ago, Gwilym said: mm or cm? Stonehenge! Whatever. I still use real measurements that we got from good King Henry VII, not that latecomer Napoleon. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Another nod to the cloth Supertwin clean eloquent sounding cab that be as loud or subtle as you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer.b Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 11 hours ago, fretmeister said: I love my Barefaced Super Twin. 18kg, wheels, 1200W handling, 4ohms. It’s ace. Hmmm I had a retro 210 and found it a bit indistinct , lacking punch , I'll check out the super twin though, voiced quite differently to the retro range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lownote Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 If you have bunce the current Markbass crop are so light you have to put a beer glass on top to stop them floating away. 15Kg for a 4x10! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer.b Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, lownote said: If you have bunce the current Markbass crop are so light you have to put a beer glass on top to stop them floating away. 15Kg for a 4x10! Wow , I'll check em out , had an old lm2 for years as a back up , bombproof, never that into the old cabs but I'll investigate these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lownote Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 minute ago, spencer.b said: Wow , I'll check em out , had an old lm2 for years as a back up , bombproof, never that into the old cabs but I'll investigate these https://www.markbass.it/product/mb58r-104-pure/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer.b Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 Looks great but not sure there's any in the UK at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, spencer.b said: Hmmm I had a retro 210 and found it a bit indistinct , lacking punch , I'll check out the super twin though, voiced quite differently to the retro range? Yes, the 10" range are warmer/softer sounding, whereas the 12" range are much cleaner/flatter sounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossyrocks Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 3 hours ago, spencer.b said: Looks great but not sure there's any in the UK at the moment? They're saying that they will hit the dealers worldwide in September. I'm going to wait, but I won't be holding my breath in the meantime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbasspecial Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 + 1 for the Super Twin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 7 hours ago, spencer.b said: Hmmm I had a retro 210 and found it a bit indistinct , lacking punch , I'll check out the super twin though, voiced quite differently to the retro range? They are very different. I have a One10 as well (and used to gig a pair of them). The One series are more trad / vintage sounding than the 12XN range. The 12XN stuff is more mid pushed / punchy, but not nasal like some can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, ossyrocks said: They're saying that they will hit the dealers worldwide in September. I'm going to wait, but I won't be holding my breath in the meantime. I don't think they've even set the prices yet! I keep asking them on all their social media but never get an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossyrocks Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, fretmeister said: I don't think they've even set the prices yet! I keep asking them on all their social media but never get an answer. When they do, be prepared to be overjoyed, or deflated. It'll be one or the other. Fortunately, Promenade Music stock a lot of their stuff and it's 15 minutes walk from me, so I'll be there as soon as they have them in regardless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwilym Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 7 hours ago, lownote said: https://www.markbass.it/product/mb58r-104-pure/ Wow, it's fair to say that MB don't shy away from the marketing toss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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