Leonard Smalls Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Why is rock so formulaic? Just watching Reading festival in the Beeb... And there's Bring Me The Horizon on. Who employ every single metalpop cliche ... Why is there nowt new or different? Is there a set formula? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonno1981 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Agreed. Over polished to the nth degree. Dull! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted August 27, 2022 Author Share Posted August 27, 2022 It's completely horrific! Now they've got Sheeran on... Can folks not spot Product? Eeeek! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted August 27, 2022 Author Share Posted August 27, 2022 Can I just say eek again? This is not rock'n'roll! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) @Leonard Smalls... The explanation is simple... The reason why limericks work And drive some people berserk Is because there's a rhyme And that, over time Folk don't have to think for themselves any more, it's all cut'n'dried for 'em, the dainty little lambs. Edited August 27, 2022 by Dad3353 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) I don't own any albums but from what I've heard of 'Bring Me the Horizon' on the radio over the years they're basically a pop metal band who have they're roots in the Emo thing that manifested in the 2000s. I don't mind them, they seem to be one of the very few heavy guitar bands put together after the turn of the millenium that has the kind of fanbase that can sell out arenas. Edited August 27, 2022 by Cato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford13 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 My take on this is that the vast majority of music genres and bands has always been formulaic, it's just the further away from the actual time period you get the more you only remember the actual 10 or so stand out great bands / artists. I don't think it's any worse now than it's ever been. The point of difference is really down to personal musical taste. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, Crawford13 said: I don't think it's any worse now than it's ever been. Probably not! But because I watched for longer than I normally would the whole thing just seemed even more like cynical manipulation; there's the quiet bit, there's the hasty fists pumped toward crowd by bass and guitar, there's the sanitised growly bit, then there's a bit of melody... You could almost imagine a bunch of suits round a boardroom table with a list, making sure that the correct percentage of everything went into each song, and that it never got too heavy just in case a Bieber fan got alienated... I remember a conversation I had a few years ago with an amazing jazz drummer whose take was "the music is just in you, it's got to come out! I don't really care about the audience, I just have to make my music, and if they like it, great!". With this lot it didn't look like anything really came from the heart, from a desire to create anything outstanding, more from a desire to make a product that would get them the maximum amount of wedge! Still, each to their own... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford13 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said: With this lot it didn't look like anything really came from the heart, from a desire to create anything outstanding, more from a desire to make a product that would get them the maximum amount of wedge! Still, each to their own... This is totally agree with. A lot of popular music is made with the intention of making money and seeking fame, as opposed to creating art. It's a shame, but some one has to please the masses I guess. The slack will get picked up by niche musicians and appreciated by those that understand it . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 It's been downhill since 1976 /oldman (which is difficult as it's such a flat site) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Because that is in part what most people want, straying too far from the formula means that you are never really going to get anywhere other than a niche interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1975 was also a great line up, all for the sum of £5.95p. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I went to the Reading Festival some years ago. Was very disappointed to find there were no books. Mis-representation, I call it. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Cue the museum artefacts banging on about history. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 There were plenty of c@ck formulaic rock bands jumping on various bandwagons in the 80s, 90s, '00s be it hair metal, death metal, shred, nu-metal, metalcore, southern rock, pop punk, landfill indie.... The Leeds-Reading line-up isn't the worst I've seen. At least there a few goodish bands like Fever 333, Enter Shikari, Run The Jewels (cracking rap duo).... err that's it. I try to keep an open mind and regularly check out artists who get name-checked as something worth taking notice of. To my ears the only Brit band debuting this century I've time for is Foals. Nearly everything else is cloned and boring as f3ck. As for North American bands? I'll get back to you if I can think of any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Supernaut said: Cue the museum artefacts banging on about history. 😁 They did happen and hopefully won’t be erased from history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Just now, steantval said: They did happen and hopefully won’t be erased from history. 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 15 hours ago, Dan Dare said: I went to the Reading Festival some years ago. Was very disappointed to find there were no books. Mis-representation, I call it. I dated Miss Representation once, she kept pointing out everything twice! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 I'll take formulaic rock over improvise jazz any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share Posted August 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Newfoundfreedom said: I'll take formulaic rock over improvise jazz any day. Personally I prefer jazz-rock improvisation that works within a pre-agreed formula, like Zorn and Ribot here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taunton-hobbit Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 And so it all ended badly - shame https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11155993/Yobs-TORCH-tents-Reading-Festival-descends-violence-Fans-leave-early-brawls-break-out.html 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, taunton-hobbit said: And so it all ended badly - shame https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11155993/Yobs-TORCH-tents-Reading-Festival-descends-violence-Fans-leave-early-brawls-break-out.html Sounds interesting, but not interesting enough to read the daily mail! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Leonard Smalls said: Personally I prefer jazz-rock improvisation that works within a pre-agreed formula, like Zorn and Ribot here! That's nothing but noise to me, but each to their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba_the_gut Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, taunton-hobbit said: And so it all ended badly - shame https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11155993/Yobs-TORCH-tents-Reading-Festival-descends-violence-Fans-leave-early-brawls-break-out.html 😎 My son went to this with group of friends and left early yesterday as the mood changed. It was his first festival and he said he wouldn't go there again. He went off to get some (overpriced) food and came back to find the tent slashed, camp chairs had been put on the fire, bottles being thrown etc. So they left. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudpup Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, taunton-hobbit said: And so it all ended badly - shame https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11155993/Yobs-TORCH-tents-Reading-Festival-descends-violence-Fans-leave-early-brawls-break-out.html 😎 I think they've been watching the Woodstock 99 documentary on Netflix 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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