Wild Cayote Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 (edited) Hi I am trying to determine whether the two inputs on the pre amp can be used simultaneously. They are said to be parallel, so that would suggest its possible, but their product description only says that they can be used to switch between basses on stage quickly. That's not quite the same. I want to run a dual output bass into both of the channels at once, which is, from what I understand, what Geddy Lee himself did at his amp rack, I thought the story was that he used to use two amplifiers but tech 21 designed this gear to consolidate. But I can't find anywhere where it says you can do that, I can't even find it in a review. It's not the same as using one input, then having the pre amp split it into two channels for processing. I am think g this is what the amp actually does because it has dual outputs. 2 But I am running my bridge pick up and my neck pickup to two different channels, or at least I'm trying to... I didn't want to have to buy two pre amps, and this Geddy Lee would be perfect because one channel is a "deep" channel (for the neck pick up) and the other channel is a drive channel (for the bridge pick up). Again, I've read that this is the secret to Geddys sound, a fat low end on the neck pick up and a distorted bridge pick up. I'm not neccessarily after Gettys sound (well, yeah I am), or at least I'm not after it cuz it's his sound, it's just the sound I want. Not that there's an NY thing wrong with Getty, it's just I usually am not a sucker for celebrity endorsements, so I say I am just looking for a generic sound that coincidentally Geddy does. Makes me not feel like such a sucker/fan boy... I hope. Does anyone have this pre amp? Edited October 30, 2022 by Wild Cayote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech21NYC Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 No they cannot. The inputs A and B allow you to have two different instruments plugged into the preamp. The front input jack overrides the rear inputs. The GED-2112 has two channels but operates with a mono input. This is the way Geddy uses it. If you want to use two outputs you would need a second unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Cayote Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tech21NYC said: No they cannot. The inputs A and B allow you to have two different instruments plugged into the preamp. The front input jack overrides the rear inputs. The GED-2112 has two channels but operates with a mono input. This is the way Geddy uses it. If you want to use two outputs you would need a second unit. Does Getty not use the dual outputs on his Rickenbacker? I would have thought that was the whole reason it had dual inputs. I though I had read something with Getty saying the essence of his signature sound was overdrive with a fat bottom end, so when I saw that his signature Sam's amp had two inputs and two channels, one fat and one with drive, I assumed that's how he achieved his sound, using his dual outputs from his Rickenbacker, as Chris Spire from Yes does. Of course they used to use two amps, which I was hoping tech 21 had streamlined into one 2 channel preamp. I think the dual outputs in a Rickenbacker is a great idea, separating the two pick up, but there seems to be almost no other gear that supports that format, other than to use 2 amps and 2 cabinets, or to use A/B/Y switching. Edited October 31, 2022 by Wild Cayote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Cayote Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Tech21NYC said: No they cannot. The inputs A and B allow you to have two different instruments plugged into the preamp. The front input jack overrides the rear inputs. The GED-2112 has two channels but operates with a mono input. This is the way Geddy uses it. If you want to use two outputs you would need a second unit. Well isn't it true that the Geddy DI box pedal has a blend switch on it that blends not the dry signal with the wet signal, but the fat channel with the drive channel? As in the device has two channels and without the drive on, you can play through the fat channel, then switch the drive on and blend drive with the fat channel.... Its surprising to me that the rack mount doesn't have this functionality - or does it? Like even if you can't plug into its two channels simultaneously, can you use both channels though one inputs? It seems like the ultimate way to do this would be to run both input channels at once, as even if you didn't have a Rickenbacker with dual outputs you could use a y cable and split the signal into each input. Source audio has this ability in their aftershock pedal, and maybe other pedals they make too. Which is what I think I'm gonna have to do since u can't achieve this with the Geddy pre amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 30 minutes ago, Wild Cayote said: Does Getty not use the dual outputs on his Rickenbacker? He only uses the Rickenbacker for a very small number of songs, so I doubt he has anything specific for it. 30 minutes ago, Wild Cayote said: I think the dual outputs in a Rickenbacker is a great idea, separating the two pick up, but there seems to be almost no other gear that supports that format The helix's do, thats what I use for my dual output devices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Geddy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, wateroftyne said: Geddy. I assumed it was a thing he did, as he also mentioned 'Chris Spire' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Cayote Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Woodinblack said: I assumed it was a thing he did, as he also mentioned 'Chris Spire' Haha no, not intentional, just not very good with names. But thanks for your advice Edited October 31, 2022 by Wild Cayote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech21NYC Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 19 hours ago, Wild Cayote said: Does Getty not use the dual outputs on his Rickenbacker? I would have thought that was the whole reason it had dual inputs. I though I had read something with Getty saying the essence of his signature sound was overdrive with a fat bottom end, so when I saw that his signature Sam's amp had two inputs and two channels, one fat and one with drive, I assumed that's how he achieved his sound, using his dual outputs from his Rickenbacker, as Chris Spire from Yes does. Of course they used to use two amps, which I was hoping tech 21 had streamlined into one 2 channel preamp. I think the dual outputs in a Rickenbacker is a great idea, separating the two pick up, but there seems to be almost no other gear that supports that format, other than to use 2 amps and 2 cabinets, or to use A/B/Y switching. No, he does not use two outputs. Maybe once upon a time in the 1970's but now now. Yes, you would need two amps or two preamps to do the Rick-O-Sound thing. 19 hours ago, Wild Cayote said: Well isn't it true that the Geddy DI box pedal has a blend switch on it that blends not the dry signal with the wet signal, but the fat channel with the drive channel? As in the device has two channels and without the drive on, you can play through the fat channel, then switch the drive on and blend drive with the fat channel.... Its surprising to me that the rack mount doesn't have this functionality - or does it? Like even if you can't plug into its two channels simultaneously, can you use both channels though one inputs? It seems like the ultimate way to do this would be to run both input channels at once, as even if you didn't have a Rickenbacker with dual outputs you could use a y cable and split the signal into each input. Source audio has this ability in their aftershock pedal, and maybe other pedals they make too. Which is what I think I'm gonna have to do since u can't achieve this with the Geddy pre amp Both the DI-2112 and the GED-2112 have two channels. The Drive and Deep channels. Only the Drive Channel has the Blend control that allows you to mix in your un-effected signal with the Drive (SansAmp emulation.) There is no ability to switch between them. You might be confusing this product with the dUg Pinnick DP-3X pedal. That unit allows you to switch between the two channels. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Cayote Posted November 2, 2022 Author Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Tech21NYC said: No, he does not use two outputs. Maybe once upon a time in the 1970's but now now. Yes, you would need two amps or two preamps to do the Rick-O-Sound thing. Both the DI-2112 and the GED-2112 have two channels. The Drive and Deep channels. Only the Drive Channel has the Blend control that allows you to mix in your un-effected signal with the Drive (SansAmp emulation.) There is no ability to switch between them. You might be confusing this product with the dUg Pinnick DP-3X pedal. That unit allows you to switch between the two channels. That probably is what I'm thinking of, I watched that video too. Well thanks for humoring me on all of this, I appreciate it Edited November 2, 2022 by Wild Cayote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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