Ampeg, schmampeg

[sk8]

loud noses?!

[skankdelvar]

[quote name='BigBeefChief' post='468764' date='Apr 21 2009, 04:48 PM']I have a Masters Degree in Hearing and am working towards a Phd in Loud Noises.[/quote]

Can you hear this?

[size=1][i]Your eyes are tired. Very, very tired. You're falling asleep, a deep, deep sleep. Now, think about that lovely Vantage that Skank's selling over in Basses for sale. You'd like to buy it, wouldn't you? Now, I'm going to count to three and when you wake up, you're going to PM him an offer. 1,2,3![/i][/size]

[AM1]

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='468774' date='Apr 21 2009, 04:56 PM']Can you hear this?

[size=1][i]Your eyes are tired. Very, very tired. You're falling asleep, a deep, deep sleep. Now, think about that lovely Vantage that Skank's selling over in Basses for sale. You'd like to buy it, wouldn't you? Now, I'm going to count to three and when you wake up, you're going to PM him an offer. 1,2,3![/i][/size][/quote]

Haha....

Get some subliminal recording done and post a few grooves in the groove library.

Then, we can justify GAS-induced purchases by saying "but the voices made me do it".

[BigBeefChief]

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='468774' date='Apr 21 2009, 04:56 PM']Can you hear this?

[size=1][i]Your eyes are tired. Very, very tired. You're falling asleep, a deep, deep sleep. Now, think about that lovely Vantage that Skank's selling over in Basses for sale. You'd like to buy it, wouldn't you? Now, I'm going to count to three and when you wake up, you're going to PM him an offer. 1,2,3![/i][/size][/quote]


I was tempted by this but your "for sale" thread looks suspiciously like an auction to me, which I believe is frowned upon on this site?

[EBS_freak]

[quote name='cheddatom' post='468762' date='Apr 21 2009, 04:47 PM']I went into Magic Garden studios who do a lot of pro work, and he has an Ampeh head which he's not touched since buying the SVX plug-in.[/quote]

Gav, the lazy bstard.

[skankdelvar]

[quote name='BigBeefChief' post='468781' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:01 PM']I was tempted by this but your "for sale" thread looks suspiciously like an auction to me, which I believe is frowned upon on this site?[/quote]

[i](Clearly, the hypnosis failed). [/i]

Absolutely not an auction, sorry if it seemed that way. First one to make an offer over £150 gets it held pending payment.

Sorry, OP, Mods, will take this to PM's / sale thread if it carries on.

Edited April 21, 2009 by skankdelvar

[steve-soar]

I have an SVT 6 Pro and an SVT 410HLF. And I'm beginning to feel a bit foolish about it.

I did my research. But I suppose after 15 years absence from bass playing, I was fixated with all things Ampeg. So, I bought it. And, to my ears, it sounds alright. Now, fumbling through bass forums, I find the world has moved on. Ampeg seems to have slipped a good few rungs on the ladder of low-end. Now it's all Eden, EBS, and Aguilar.

What do you think? Does Ampeg suck bass balls compared to the rest? Will anyone leap to its defence? Is there a lone soul out there who's put an Ampeg up against an EBS and thought it trounced the Swedish upstart? Or should I admit my brand-loyal naivety, axe the Ampeg, and buy stuff beginning with 'E'?



Back to the O.T.
You've got some great gear there Sir, enjoy it.

No for the "experts", a quick question.

How many of you have actually owned, gigged/toured and recorded with Ampeg? If you have, then you can have an opinion, if not, then you know little or nothing about which you speak.

[The Funk]

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='468669' date='Apr 21 2009, 03:48 PM']Also - those of you who feel that posting an opinion about a [i]sound[/i] requires years of experience, that 'less experienced' posters should gracefully roll over when challenged by self-appointed experts [...] you know what you can do and where you can do it.[/quote]

I went on about experience for a reason. I didn't bring it up and only pointed it out to explain why there's such a bad reaction to some of AM's posts. When someone says something along the lines of "in my experience such and such is the case" and then to someone with much more experience "you are wrong" or "you don't know what you are talking about", they're bringing personal experience into the discussion.

What would be helpful to the person with the actual query, ie. the guy who created this thread in the first place, is a little explanation of what that experience includes. How else are any of these opinions useful?

chris_b, who probably has the most experience in this thread, was massively pro-Ampeg.

[Dubs]

[quote name='steve-soar' post='468802' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:20 PM']No for the "experts", a quick question.

How many of you have actually owned, gigged/toured and recorded with Ampeg? If you have, then you can have an opinion, if not, then you know little or nothing about which you speak.[/quote]

I have, but I’m so far away from being an “expert” that it’s probably not even worth mentioning… it sounded the shizz though (that's about as technical as I get ). I don't think anyone could say "that's definitely an Ampeg" about any bass sound. I can get a pretty realistic Ampeg sound from my BDDI going straight into the desk, and there are so many digital emulations around...

[cheddatom]

[quote name='EBS_freak' post='468783' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:02 PM']Gav, the lazy bstard.[/quote]

Do you know him?

I'll be honest from all the hype and reputation etc, I was quite let down by what we came out with. He's a really nice guy though and seems to know his stuff.

[AM1]

[quote name='The Funk' post='468809' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:25 PM']I went on about experience for a reason. I didn't bring it up and only pointed it out to explain why there's such a bad reaction to some of AM's posts. When someone says something along the lines of "in my experience such and such is the case" and then to someone with much more experience "you are wrong" or "you don't know what you are talking about", they're bringing personal experience into the discussion.[/quote]

In this thread, where did I make ANY such comment with specificity to anyone's experience?

Where did I say "you don't know what you are talking about" or any such comment?

I respectfully must point out that it was others making those kind of comments to me!

Your discussions are usually quite lucid but in this instance, you seem to miss the fact that I simply stated I find Ampeg distinctive and I love the sound and that for me, nothing comes cloes, then the respondents challenged MY experience and starting ranting about all the Ampeg emulations and how I cannot possibly be able to pick out Ampeg sounds.

I can and I have, that is a fact.

Call me all the fools/beginners under the sun, but it doesn't alter the fact that I find Ampeg distinctive and can pick it out.

We're going in circles here, I am glad the OP is feeling reassured with his choice.

I truly rate my SVT, it's a great amp.

I need to go back to my bass now.

[skankdelvar]

[quote name='The Funk' post='468809' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:25 PM']I went on about experience for a reason. I didn't bring it up and only pointed it out to explain why there's such a bad reaction to some of AM's posts. When someone says something along the lines of "in my experience such and such is the case" and then to someone with much more experience "you are wrong" or "you don't know what you are talking about", they're bringing personal experience into the discussion.

What would be helpful to the person with the actual query, ie. the guy who created this thread in the first place, is a little explanation of what that experience includes. How else are any of these opinions useful?

chris_b, who probably has the most experience in this thread, was massively pro-Ampeg.[/quote]

Sorry, absolutely not aimed specifically at you, more at the general turn of events and sense of witch-hunt.

Huge respect for your posts and what you have to say.

[AM1]

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='468826' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:39 PM']Sorry, absolutely not aimed specifically at you, more at the general turn of events and sense of witch-hunt.

Huge respect for your posts and what you have to say. [/quote]

I'll second that, TheFunk has made some useful contributions to my questions, much respect from me.

[escholl]

i feel like i've missed the party

i played through a little ampeg once, it was ok -- it sounded pretty much how i expected it to sound, but then again my bass and sansamp tend to give a kind of distinctive tone anyways. in my experience the classic ampeg sound is very recognizable, and they're not known for being especially flexible -- but it's not to say they can only produce one tone.

i did like it a lot though, partly because it was cute and little and sounded good at reasonable volumes -- i may have overcooked it slightly though..and..umm...am now waiting to find out from the studio owner how much the repair bill is going to be. whoops.

ultimately, you have to not care about what other people think, because most people are idiots. if you like/love/hate the way your amp sounds when you play it, then why should it matter what anyone else thinks? I play through an HH and can't see myself ever changing, i love it so much -- but most people seem to dismiss them. which i'm not really complaining about, actually, because it means they go cheap as anything!

[ashevans09]

We seem to have been falling into more arguments as of late

As for this discussion...



(something for Mrs. T )

And to the OP I am seriously bummed about the fact I missed an SVT6 on ebay today so there we go. If it sings for you, keep it

Edited April 21, 2009 by ashevans09

[AM1]

Skank, am trying to PM you but it says you can't receive.

Sort it out before the cake gets finished!

[BigBeefChief]

[quote name='AM1' post='468845' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:48 PM']Skank, am trying to PM you but it says you can't receive.[/quote]


Skank's a giver.

[The Funk]

[quote name='AM1' post='468822' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:38 PM']We're going in circles here, I am glad the OP is feeling reassured with his choice.[/quote]

I agree. This thread got massively sidetracked.

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='468826' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:39 PM']Huge respect for your posts and what you have to say. [/quote]
[quote name='AM1' post='468831' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:41 PM']I'll second that, TheFunk has made some useful contributions to my questions, much respect from me.[/quote]
Even the [i]2 Girls, 1 Cup[/i] reference?

[AM1]

[quote name='The Funk' post='468858' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:52 PM']Even the [i]2 Girls, 1 Cup[/i] reference? [/quote]

[b]Especially[/b] that reference!

Now, you've been particularly slow on replying to my Master Blaster post, it simply won't do.

Come on, I'm working on it now!

Pesky thread, I had just weaned myself off learning basslines!

Addictive!

[skankdelvar]

[quote name='AM1' post='468845' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:48 PM']Skank, am trying to PM you but it says you can't receive.

Sort it out before the cake gets finished! [/quote]

It's a commitment issues thing.

But I don't know why I can't 'receive' messages. Probably the voices in my head...

[AM1]

[quote name='skankdelvar' post='468890' date='Apr 21 2009, 06:21 PM']It's a commitment issues thing.

But I don't know why I can't 'receive' messages. Probably the voices in my head...[/quote]

Ha, it says you have chosen not to receive.

You miserable, anti-social, grumpy old git.

[BigRedX]

As the person who stirred up the 'experience' hornets nest, I think I owe an explanation...

AM1 you post some interesting stuff. I don't always agree with your opinions but that doesn't stop them from being interesting and the discussion stimulating. In your various posts there are all sorts of hints of a varied and serious musical past and present, so I wanted to know where you were coming from musically and how better to find out then to have a listen to some tunes you'd played on.

I can understand that you want to maintain a certain 'distance' on an internet forum, but I bet an awful lot of people are partly here to promote their various musical activities - I won't deny that it forms part of the reason why I'm here. Most of us would like to show off what we do musically and hope for a little bit of recognition and appreciation from our peers. So when neither your profile or your signature has no further info about your musical activities, my initial reaction is to be just a little suspicious - for all I know you could be a (insert non-bass instrument here) trolling on a bass forum.

[b]BTW that's a simple observation, not an attack or a criticism.[/b]

I would be genuinely interested to hear some stuff that you have played on (bass or another instrument). I find that people with strong opinions nearly always produce interesting music simply because of the force of their personality - might not like the music in question, but that's neither here nor there, but I would hope at least to find the experience worthwhile.

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Back to my original point in this thread. We have obviously been going to different gigs, because IME - certainly in the past 20 years from both an on- and off-stage perspective - anything after the DI box in a bass rig has minimal impact on what is heard by the audience at 1000+ capacity 'rock' venues irrespective of the make of equipment , and unless the bassist has a very specialised rig the DI box nearly always comes before the instrument input of the amp.

[The Burpster]

Anyhooo....

whats wrong with these.....?

[url="http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_bxr1800h.htm"]http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_bxr1800h.htm[/url]

[EBS_freak]

[quote name='The Burpster' post='468972' date='Apr 21 2009, 07:57 PM']Anyhooo....

whats wrong with these.....?

[url="http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_bxr1800h.htm"]http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_bxr1800h.htm[/url][/quote]

They sound like Ampegs...

[EBS_freak]

[quote name='cheddatom' post='468812' date='Apr 21 2009, 05:28 PM']Do you know him?

I'll be honest from all the hype and reputation etc, I was quite let down by what we came out with. He's a really nice guy though and seems to know his stuff.[/quote]


Yeah. He's done good stuff... and he's done "meh" stuff. Depends what he is into - some of the better recordings have those that he has emerged himself into - not surprising really. Can't fault him as a guy though.