First ampless gig

[BigRedX]

Those who want guitar feedback still use an amp albeit a very small one. That's what I've seen recently.

[la bam]

19 hours ago, cheddatom said:

I get the ampless/in-ear thing and it obviously works for loads of people. One potential drawback I can see is feedback. Some feedback is desirable, especially when playing lead guitar. How do you get feedback with no monitor or amp?

There will no doubt be a pedal to emulate feedback somewhere nowadays.

[BigRedX]

12 minutes ago, la bam said:

There will no doubt be a pedal to emulate feedback somewhere nowadays.

 

Boss made one in the mid 80s - the DF-2 Super Feedbacker and Distortion pedal. I had one which I used with my synth to provide guitar-like sounds. IIRC the "feedback" was generated using a pitch detector to drive a simple sine wave oscillator, and you held down the pedal to activate it. However once activated you were stuck with a single tone feedback and none of the instability you get with the interaction between the amp and guitar. Good for what it did, but not as versatile as a guitar and amp working together, which is why guitarists who want feedback tones and sustain still use a small valve combo located in a suitable place on the otherwise "silent" stage to achieve this.

 

 

[EBS_freak]

28 minutes ago, la bam said:

There will no doubt be a pedal to emulate feedback somewhere nowadays.

Freqout.

[EBS_freak]

7 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

 

which is why guitarists who want feedback tones and sustain still use a small valve combo located in a suitable place on the otherwise "silent" stage to achieve this.

 

 

Been there. Amp on a stand at knee height firing up a the guitarist and across the stage (basically at 90 degrees to the mics)

[cheddatom]

Feedback is so much more than just screaming guitar sustain etc. I personally like a controlled amount of feedback when playing bass too. Even the strings feel different under my fingers if I'm turned up loud through an amp or PA

[EBS_freak]

9 minutes ago, cheddatom said:

Even the strings feel different under my fingers

Psychology.

It's still a point though - the feeling of high SPL stage could certainly influence how you mentally feel on stage. 

[cheddatom]

2 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

Psychology.

It's still a point though - the feeling of high SPL stage could certainly influence how you mentally feel on stage. 

you get more sustain though right? Am I just imagining that?

[Lozz196]

At last nights rehearsal (lead guitar in punk covers) I used an Orange Rocker 32 and was able to get some really nice controllable feedback. IMO it really adds to a song if done properly. 

 

 

[woodyratm]

Interesting read this. 
 

We moved to ampless last year, drums still acoustic but we have a click track in our ears anyway. 

 

It was great, but we kept feeling something missing on stage. We played a venue in December and I was forced to use an amp - so we turned bass down in the ears and that thump was from the amp. It worked well, could hear everything but still had the low end feeling. I just need to be careful with volume! 😂

[EBS_freak]

On 21/02/2023 at 11:40, cheddatom said:

you get more sustain though right? Am I just imagining that?

Possibly. Again, it depends. It's probably somewhere on the boundary of high SPL and resonance...

[NikNik]

I witnessed my first 'silent stage' when working at a Danish festival several years ago. I was in the stage right wings and it really was uncanny to watch the musicians - three guitars, keyboards, bass  all going through Kemper Profilers, and the drummer on an electric kit  - all playing and you heard nothing, except what was coming back off the PA. Really weird.

Edited February 23, 2023 by NikNik

[Guest]

And it's so much kinder to your back!

[TimR]

Found it quite easily but to save anyone looking. 

 

 

[mcnach]

On 21/02/2023 at 10:35, la bam said:

There will no doubt be a pedal to emulate feedback somewhere nowadays.