Problematic creators and their music

[tauzero]

  On 17/08/2023 at 22:37, MacDaddy said:

My post contained a quote from Matt Damon's Wiki page, which should have been apparent by the included footnotes.

It's "prominent members of the Me Too movement" y'all should be arguing with!

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I assume then that I misinterpreted your comment above it as being an agreement with the prominent MeTooers, rather than an ironic comment on their comments.

[MacDaddy]

  On 17/08/2023 at 21:45, Beedster said:

I assume you’re being ironic? 

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  On 17/08/2023 at 23:01, tauzero said:

 

I assume then that I misinterpreted your comment above it as being an agreement with the prominent MeTooers, rather than an ironic comment on their comments.

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I could have started the post 'According to prominent members of the Me Too movement there is no line', but I thought irony would better get the point across.

Seems I was wrong!

[neepheid]

  On 17/08/2023 at 23:04, MacDaddy said:

 

 

I could have started the post 'According to prominent members of the Me Too movement there is no line', but I thought irony would better get the point across.

Seems I was wrong!

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Too clever for me - it was a WTF from this correspondent here also. I just couldn't be arsed getting into another internet bun fight*.

 

*All arguments on the internet are bun fights, regardless of the seriousness of the topic - before anyone accuses me of diminishing a very serious subject.

[TimR]

Indeed. Not even the "prominent members of the me too movement" belive this. Its a marketing device to create engagement on the subject by presenting an ad absurdum case. 

[Barking Spiders]

  On 17/08/2023 at 16:12, dclaassen said:

I also really liked “Usual Suspects” and don’t think I can unlike it just because KS is “problematic “.

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Yep agreed. I rewatched LA Confidential a few days ago and still hugely enjoyed despite knowing why KS has been up in court for and, for that matter, about Russell Crowe's  history of violent outbursts.  Seems to me a substantial percentage of great/famous composers, musicians, actors, artists, sportsmen, philosophers, scientists, leaders, entrepreneurs etc have been pretty unsavoury at best and if we were to personally cancel all of them there wouldn't be many left. In general, I find I'm able to separate the artist etc from the person unless the person in question was/is a child abuser or rapist. 

[Beedster]

  On 18/08/2023 at 12:00, Barking Spiders said:

Seems to me a substantial percentage of great/famous composers, musicians, actors, artists, sportsmen, philosophers, scientists, leaders, entrepreneurs etc have been pretty unsavoury at best and if we were to personally cancel all of them there wouldn't be many left.

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True of much of the population beyond the arts, sport, business, politics and science

[Baloney Balderdash]

  On 17/08/2023 at 17:26, tauzero said:

 

I just asked Mrs Zero whether "An unwelcome touch of knee is just as bad as being bruttally raped". Her response was "WHAAAT??". Being raped is a far more traumatic experience than having an unwelcome touch on the knee. AFAIK, nobody has killed themselves because their knee has been touched. I'm not minimising the unwelcome touch of knee, but you're seriously minimising rape.

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You had to ask to know that?

 

Concerning...

 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Baloney Balderdash

[Mykesbass]

  On 17/08/2023 at 16:12, dclaassen said:

Had a bl who wouldn’t do Clapton songs. I’m currently playing with a really good start-up country band. We are doing Chicks songs. I really don’t agree with some of the statements Natalie Mains has made, but am very happy to enjoy and play their music. 
 

My line is almost no line. I strongly dislike the term “problematic” because of its place in the current cancel culture. 
 

I also really liked “Usual Suspects” and don’t think I can unlike it just because KS is “problematic “.

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Struggling to see how Natalie Mains can be viewed in the same company as convicted sex criminals and overt racists.

[MacDaddy]

  On 18/08/2023 at 07:40, TimR said:

Indeed. Not even the "prominent members of the me too movement" belive this. Its a marketing device to create engagement on the subject by presenting an ad absurdum case. 

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If that were the case, why did Matt Damon have to apologise?

[Beedster]

  On 18/08/2023 at 07:40, TimR said:

Indeed. Not even the "prominent members of the me too movement" belive this. Its a marketing device to create engagement on the subject by presenting an ad absurdum case. 

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  On 18/08/2023 at 13:03, MacDaddy said:

 

If that were the case, why did Matt Damon have to apologise?

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Because saying something controversial for effect is not the same as believing something controversial

[asingardenof]

  On 18/08/2023 at 13:44, Beedster said:

Because saying something controversial for effect is not the same as believing something controversial

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Being the former rather than the latter doesn't make you a good person though.

[neepheid]

Some sh!tstirring going on in here today.  This thread was never going to end well.

[Barking Spiders]

  On 18/08/2023 at 12:19, Beedster said:

True of much of the population beyond the arts, sport, business, politics and science

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Too true. Often why I like to keep 'friendships' light and superficial.  IMO it's best not to get to know people too well. Some long-standing former friends very dark sides came out over Brexit, revealing them to be small-minded, angry, deluded bigots that i couldn't recognise.

[tauzero]

  On 18/08/2023 at 12:34, Baloney Balderdash said:

You had to ask to know that?

 

Concerning...

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No, I didn't. But I didn't want to make an assumption.

[TimR]

  On 18/08/2023 at 13:56, asingardenof said:

Being the former rather than the latter doesn't make you a good person though.

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Well. 

 

Matt Damon says something that's not controversial in the slightest.

 

Someone latches on to it as a way to promote their movement. 

 

A few people wonder if actually they may have point.

 

Suddenly it is contraversal.

 

Loads of people still think it isn't (including Matt Damon) but those with an agenda carry on bashing the point as its getting them loads of attention.

 

It gathers steam and Matt Damon realises it's less damaging for his career to take the high ground, diffuse the situation and apologise.

 

The rest of the world stand back and watch with bewilderment...

 

Meanwhile on BassChat...

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[TimR]

Bradley Cooper is facing a mounting backlash over his use of a prosthetic nose during his portrayal of Leonard Bernstein - the Jewish equivalent of 'Blacking Up'.

 

More bewilderment from onlookers...

[dclaassen]

  On 18/08/2023 at 12:46, Mykesbass said:

Struggling to see how Natalie Mains can be viewed in the same company as convicted sex criminals and overt racists.

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I never said or implied an equivalency…simply moving on with the OP’s original points. Mains upset a lot of country fans by (a) being hyper-critical of American policies while on a European tour and (b) talking about how stupid and unworthy of her talents and political views country fans were. Although probably not triggering for most liberals, many conservatives were not impressed, nor were country fans.

 

preparing to hear the usual misrepresentations and droll comments regarding both groups mentioned above…

[Mykesbass]

  On 18/08/2023 at 20:06, dclaassen said:

I never said or implied an equivalency…

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That's sure what it looked like from here.

[dclaassen]

  On 18/08/2023 at 21:23, Mykesbass said:

That's sure what it looked like from here.

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I’m sure it did…

[Burns-bass]

  On 18/08/2023 at 14:14, Barking Spiders said:

Too true. Often why I like to keep 'friendships' light and superficial.  IMO it's best not to get to know people too well. Some long-standing former friends very dark sides came out over Brexit, revealing them to be small-minded, angry, deluded bigots that i couldn't recognise.

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Or alternatively people who didn’t agree with you, for various reasons.

 

I rarely listen to thought for the day without rolling my eyes, but when I was dropping my parents off at the airport at 5:25 (ish) there was a good one. 

[TimR]

  On 19/08/2023 at 06:06, Burns-bass said:

Or alternatively people who didn’t agree with you, for various reasons.

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Indeed. When it comes to politics no one is right. It just depends on whether your wrong opinion matches someone else's wrong opinion as to whether you both agree.