hooky_lowdown Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 For the past 18 months I've been seeing more and more developed AI being used across the Creative sectors, as well many others. With Chatgpt and the likes, it occurs to me it won't be too long before an AI generated pop song will top the charts, which'll no doubt open the flood gates to further AI hits. And an AI hit factory. This will inevitably lead to songwriters becoming obsolete, with AI writing pop hits in seconds. I know this is being developed and has been worked on for a while, but I believe its only time before the songwriter will become a dead art, surpassed by AI. Fortunately live artists and bands will remain, including the low end folk. Although having said that the digital ABBA gigs leaves food for thought. 🫢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Dross written and composed by an 'artist' (or team...) or dross written and composed by 'A.I.', it's six of one, half a dozen of t'other. Quality will out, for those interested enough to seek it out (or write it themselves...). Already terms such as 'top the charts' and 'hits' are, in most (but not all...) cases, condemnation, if only because of the incessant over-playing they'll inevitably receive. There has never been an era whereby mainstream music was not aimed low. Nothing new here, really; dross is dross. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskwave Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 As long as Ive still got access to 70's Prog, old folk music, Bach and all those incredible 60's 70's 80's pop/soul masterpieces I dont have to give a fig....and I dont. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baloney Balderdash Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) No! And the state AI is on now in terms of lyrics writing is on level with that of an average 5 grade public school pupil, which of course does about match the level of the lyrics of current chart hits. Also current pop music is already made from a carefully calculated formula for maximal catchiness and commercial success, so there AI generated music should fit right in too. Not art though. Top 40 is, and for most parts have always been, filled up with utter stinky poo from an artistic point of view. A perversion of the most advanced form of communication we humans are capable of that is music. Edited October 3, 2023 by Baloney Balderdash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I've just been playing around with some AI lyric generators. I rather think they do a better job than I do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Considering the mountains of tripe many human 'artists' have been putting out over the last 60 years, IMO it's time to let the machines have a go 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddo Soqable Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I bet no computer could have come up with the lyrics.. "Flat foot Floogie with the Floy Floy" ... 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asingardenof Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, hooky_lowdown said: For the past 18 months I've been seeing more and more developed AI being used across the Creative sectors, as well many others. With Chatgpt and the likes, it occurs to me it won't be too long before an AI generated pop song will top the charts, which'll no doubt open the flood gates to further AI hits. And an AI hit factory. This will inevitably lead to songwriters becoming obsolete, with AI writing pop hits in seconds. I know this is being developed and has been worked on for a while, but I believe its only time before the songwriter will become a dead art, surpassed by AI. Fortunately live artists and bands will remain, including the low end folk. Although having said that the digital ABBA gigs leaves food for thought. 🫢 Waiting for an AI-generated song called "It Was Only An 'opeless Fancy"... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Until AI becomes self conscious and understands emotions you won't get words that connect on an emotional level. That's probably what's missing from a lot of pop music at the moment. Or is probably present but it just doesn't match with the emotions of a bunch of old guys living in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, TimR said: Or is probably present but it just doesn't match with the emotions of a bunch of old guys living in the past. This. I think if I grokked the contents of the 'Top40', then pop culture would have broken in a way that would disappoint me terribly. I stick Radio1 on sometimes... and the feeling of confusion is exquisite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Personally I find the vast majority of lyrics including those for songs I really like, trite and cringeworthy. Even those writers who are good with their word play can't sustain it for a whole album's worth of songs. For me AI composed lyrics are no better or worse then any other method of writing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) Further to my exploration of AI lyric generators last night, I rather think I'm going to use one to write something. A lot of the music I like has quite elliptical lyrics, so taking the output of the machine and massaging the words into something a little less direct has been quite rewarding. Certainly a good way of kicking off the process and getting the cerebral juices oozing away. Edited October 3, 2023 by ahpook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, ahpook said: Further to my exploration of AI lyric generators last night, I rather think I'm going to use one to write something. A lot of the music I like has quite elliptical lyrics, so taking the output of the machine and massaging the words into something a little less direct has been quite rewarding. Certainly a good way of kicking off the process and getting the cerebral juices oozing away. I suspect its very good as a tool to get creative juices flowing. In the same way as a drum loop can prompt a bass line. David Bowie used to write random words on bits of paper and pick them out of a 'hat'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterMute Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 William Gibson pretty much nailed this in Idoru, AI holographic pop stars marrying real rock stars, his AI were self aware however, and that is a completely different kettle of fish. Great art is transcendent, I can paint-by numbers, I'll never paint a Monet (insert you favourite dead artist here) similarly I can write a song, but I'll never turn out The Long and Winding Road or While My Guitar Gently Weeps, and neither will AI Until it becomes self aware. That day may come sooner or later and then the problem won't be songs in the pop charts, trust me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, WinterMute said: William Gibson pretty much nailed this in Idoru, AI holographic pop stars marrying real rock stars, his AI were self aware however, and that is a completely different kettle of fish. And the anime Macros Plus with it's "AI" virtual pop star Sharon Apple predates Idoru by a couple of years. One of the main plot points in the movie is that Sharon Apple isn't as AI as her developers would like the audience to believe, and that she still requires a human component to function. Of course it all goes wrong in the most spectacular way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 2 hours ago, ahpook said: Further to my exploration of AI lyric generators last night, I rather think I'm going to use one to write something. A lot of the music I like has quite elliptical lyrics, so taking the output of the machine and massaging the words into something a little less direct has been quite rewarding. Certainly a good way of kicking off the process and getting the cerebral juices oozing away. I'd got a song that I've got a couple of verses and a chorus for, and I input it to ChatGPT and asked for another verse or two. It gave me a couple of verses and a chorus which were somewhat banale and I certainly wouldn't use verbatim, but may have stimulated me into finishing it. Sometime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexel Matador Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 I've found everything I've come across that's been generated by AI, whether visual, audio, written, whatever, to be deeply, deeply, unpleasant. There may come a time where I can't tell the difference, and then I suppose it won't matter. But for now - ugh... no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) OK, I loaded a load of fairly nonsensical keywords and prompts into https://www.song-lyrics-generator.org.uk/ ...and with a couple of tweaks came up with what could almost pass as a Pavement song Summer Dental Conference (No Monster Trucks) "We're all going to a summer dental conference No more begging for a week or two Guitars and stack shoes at our summer dental conference No more monster trucks for me or you For a week or two Summertime, and the givin' is open Sisters are lying and the are wagers are high Oh, your king's Belgian and your serf is driving So hush my parched bozo, don't you cry Oh the summer of 2543 I can't wait to do some lying with you You can't wait to do some lying with me This just can't be summer love, you'll see This just can't be summer love (Solo) Summertime, and the givin' is open Sisters are lying and the are wagers are high Oh, your king's Belgian and your serf is driving So hush my parched bozo, don't you cry (Spoken Word over breakdown/build-up) Me and some monster trucks from Southampton Had a band and we tried real hard. Kent quit, Jo went inventing I should've known we'd never end up emigrating Oh the summer of 2543 Summer lying had me a blast, oh yeah Summer lying happened so fast, Summer dental conference drifting away, To, uh oh, that summer dental conference" Edited October 3, 2023 by ahpook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 19 minutes ago, ahpook said: ... Summer Dental Conference (No Monster Trucks) ... Don't give up the day job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 It shows that it's just an advanced Google user. Copying what's been done before and changing bits it. You've got Summer of 69, Summer Nights, Summertime and probably some other stuff I don't recognise. Anything conscious or with real world experience would realise that it looks obviously copied. However, some bands have got away with reproducing entire songs from history and passing them off as their own. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Chat GPT or Google Bard lyrics surely can't be any worse than those written by Noel Gallagher, Robert Plant, Simon Le Bon, Jim Morrison, Neal Peart, Gene Simmons or whoever else in Kiss is guilty and AC/DC? Of course I could add about 100 more names to that list but I've made my point and there's no debating it. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJpullchord Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 What happens when AI learns the circle of fifths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 I asked ChatGTP to write a blues song, supplying no other details than that, and this is what it came up with. Too long, obvs, and a bit cliché-rich, but that's the nature of the beast. I actually quite like some of the lines! Quote (Verse 1) Well, I woke up this mornin', blues knockin' on my door, I said, "I woke up this mornin', blues knockin' on my door, Seems like trouble and sorrow, they just want more and more." (Verse 2) My baby left me, took the last train out of town, Yeah, my baby left me, took the last train out of town, Now I'm sittin' here, my heart in pieces on the ground. (Chorus) I got them blues, deep down in my soul, I said, I got them blues, it's takin' its toll, But I'll keep on singin', let the good times roll. (Verse 3) Well, the rain's fallin' down, matchin' the tears in my eyes, Yeah, the rain's fallin' down, matchin' the tears in my eyes, I've been searchin' for a reason, but it's all just cloudy skies. (Verse 4) I went down to the crossroads, tried to make a deal, I said, I went down to the crossroads, tried to make a deal, But the devil just laughed, said, "Your fate is sealed." (Chorus) I got them blues, deep down in my soul, I said, I got them blues, it's takin' its toll, But I'll keep on singin', let the good times roll. (Verse 5) Well, I'll pick up my guitar, let the music set me free, Yeah, I'll pick up my guitar, let the music set me free, I may have the blues, but this song's my remedy. (Verse 6) So, when life gets you down, and the world feels cold and gray, Yeah, when life gets you down, and the world feels cold and gray, Just remember the blues, they'll help you find your way. (Chorus) I got them blues, deep down in my soul, I said, I got them blues, it's takin' its toll, But I'll keep on singin', let the good times roll. (Outro) Yeah, I'll keep on singin', let the good times roll, I'll keep on singin', let the good times roll, With these blues in my heart, I'll find my way, Lord, that's my goal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Needs more dogs and shotguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Edge Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 22 hours ago, TimR said: Needs more dogs and shotguns. That would make it country blues, if there is still such a thing. I think there was/is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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