Boss GT 1000 / Core Users - Patches and Ideas

[MrDinsdale]

I’m not sure it’s a different direction to a typical user, just a different direction to some people here. I know plenty of people who’re all about having everything in one unit and totally get it.

 

I’m just far too picky about my drive and preamp tones, so far only the QC has gotten close but the compressors ain’t great so I want to have my Cali on there. 

 

Built in PSU/IEC isn’t a big for me, even if I had a big floor unit I’d probably have it on a pedalboard with a patchbay so I wasn’t plugging/unplugging it all the time. If anything having something I can power with the Cioks 7 is a bigger selling point.

[SumOne]

I'd been ready to sell the Core (again!) as have taken  to just using a separate tuner and the Compressor and EQ on my Amp for live use. But another good use occurred: Re-Amping for home recording.

 

 

I was finding myself looking about for an interface (like the Focusrite which costs about £100), but actually, the Core probably does that interface job just as well for for Guitar/Bass/Keys. And the added bonus being the Re-Amping in a DAW and using Core for effects/EQ/compressor/amps and cab sims etc, and the effects are just as applicable for Keyboards and Guitar as for Bass (so I guess could also be quite useable for Drums and Vocals).  I've been looking around for VST effects for home recorded Bass and Keys, lots are free, but it can be also an expensive business (e.g. just one VST effect like Tape Delay can set you back £50 or £85).  So, stick with the Core , or sell it and spend the £ on an interface and VST? .......I'll stick for now but workflow will be a key thing.

 

 

[MrDinsdale]

Core has excellent reamping facilities, probably about the same price as a decent interface and reamp box and waaaaay less hassle. 

[matybigfro]

On 19/02/2024 at 18:06, MrDinsdale said:

Nice work! Yeah the preamps never really seemed like a strong point of the GT1k line which is a shame because it’s pretty solid otherwise.

 

Have you uploaded any patches to Boss Tone Exchange? 

 

No to be fair I need to get round to this

[NoirBass]

Word on the street is that V4 update is coming although Boss accidentally announced it too early!

 

[MrDinsdale]

2 hours ago, NoirBass said:

Word on the street is that V4 update is coming although Boss accidentally announced it too early!

 

Long overdue! Curious what’s going in but I imagine it’ll be excellent, they need some new models, certainly for bass. 

[MichaelDean]

This is what was posted in the GT/GX facebook group:

GT-1000 Version 4.0

– Now Available –

Now, even more creative features have been added to the industry-leading guitar effects processor, including three newly developed high-gain guitar amp types that spotlight the continuing evolution of our advanced AIRD and MDP technologies.

Meet the Crew

X-Ultra is inspired by a classic British stack amp modified with a modern multi-stage gain circuit.

X-Optima features an innovative new gain algorithm that takes full advantage of MDP’s adaptive frequency shaping.

X-Titan is well-suited for down tunings and extended-range guitars with seven or eight strings.

Also Available:

GT-1000CORE Version 2.0

 

Doesn't seem like anything new for bass. I'm curious to see if they're working on something for the GX-100 too...

[NoirBass]

Now I’m more excited!

 

[NoirBass]

Ohh! And it’s available:

 

https://www.boss.info/global/support/by_product/gt-1000/updates_drivers/

 

[matybigfro]

Oh wow this is exciting 6 new bass amps is an absolute gift

Edited July 11, 2024 by matybigfro

[NoirBass]

Just had a bash, some nice amps amongst the new options. No B-15 though sadly.

 

 

[NoirBass]

FYI - When installing version 4 If on OSX, use a 3rd party application to unpack the zip file. For some reason the OSX archiver won’t unpack it correctly.

[clauster]

On 11/07/2024 at 20:10, NoirBass said:

FYI - When installing version 4 If on OSX, use a 3rd party application to unpack the zip file. For some reason the OSX archiver won’t unpack it correctly.

And if you have the CORE, it's version 2 you want.  Just lost an hour of my life trying to update to version 4 for the GT-1000

[BEADist]

Haha! Me too!

[SumOne]

Update seems to have worked fine, I like the new 'Fat Tube' Amp.

 

I've now got the Core working as an interface from Bass/Keyboard into my Laptop DAW (Reaper) , and back out - to use Core outputs rather than Laptop headphone out.

 

I need to figure out reamping now so I can record clean Bass/Keys etc and then use the Core to add fx. It seems like it should work well for that as it's already sending/receiving the information, I just need to muck about with in/outs and some settings in Reaper.

 

 

 

 

[BigRedX]

On 13/07/2024 at 20:23, SumOne said:

I need to figure out reamping now so I can record clean Bass/Keys etc and then use the Core to add fx. It seems like it should work well for that as it's already sending/receiving the information, I just need to muck about with in/outs and some settings in Reaper.

 

IME the problem with re-amping for digital recording is the amount of latency it add to the re-amped tracks. When I was doing re-amping the traditional way, I always included a percussive element at the start of the tracks that I could use to re-align the new audio.

 

Does the Core output a direct signal on a different channel to the effected version? That way you can record an unaffected version whilst monitoring with the sound you think you want, and re-amp with the sound you actually need when mixing.

[MrDinsdale]

3 hours ago, BigRedX said:

 

IME the problem with re-amping for digital recording is the amount of latency it add to the re-amped tracks. When I was doing re-amping the traditional way, I always included a percussive element at the start of the tracks that I could use to re-align the new audio.

 

Does the Core output a direct signal on a different channel to the effected version? That way you can record an unaffected version whilst monitoring with the sound you think you want, and re-amp with the sound you actually need when mixing.

 

It has 3 stereo output channels, for the main, sub and dry.

 

One thing worth mentioning is that while you will stack up latency by reamping, it’s still pretty negligible. The GT1000 latency is significantly less that the other units out there, I think it was 4ms or something crazy. I’m sure that would increase if you’re using FX loops though. 

[Al Krow]

3 hours ago, MrDinsdale said:

 

It has 3 stereo output channels, for the main, sub and dry.

 

One thing worth mentioning is that while you will stack up latency by reamping, it’s still pretty negligible. The GT1000 latency is significantly less that the other units out there, I think it was 4ms or something crazy. I’m sure that would increase if you’re using FX loops though. 

 

The point about lower latency for the GT1000 was certainly one I wasn't aware of! I'm guessing yet another benefit of greater DSP?

[MrDinsdale]

1 hour ago, Al Krow said:

 

The point about lower latency for the GT1000 was certainly one I wasn't aware of! I'm guessing yet another benefit of greater DSP?

I’m not sure. Is there possibly something to do with the A/D converters? I’m sure pretty powerful hardware doesn’t hurt. 

 

If I plug into logic with my scarlet 2i2, I think it's something like 12.6ms round trip latency for reference. 

[SumOne]

Yes, the Core seems very low (unnoticeable) latency. But I'm also using 'ReaInsert' which I think automatically deals with latency when reamping.

 

I'm using the Core Main/Dry/Sub outs to Reaper via USB which is working well -  can record a dry signal and signals with effects/cab sims etc, and then the signal goes back out to the Core to use for its audio outputs.

 

What I still can't figure out is though the reamping: Once recorded, I want to be looping the dry signal and running it back into the Core to muck about with Core effects, and then back into Reaper to record. It's a long shot but has anyone here done it the Core and Reaper? I'm probably missing something on the Core in/out USB settings or a Reaper settings. It's a bit of a complicated puzzle as there are 3x signals going from the Core to Reaper, then Reaper output is going back out to the Core to use for its outputs - but how do I now make that signal then get processed through the Core again (rather than monitor) and sent back to Reaper?  .....I'm sure it is possible, but there is a lot of back and forth virtual wiring to understand! Watching this  has helped me with ReaInsert. This  video is I'm all good upto 2 minutes but then he goes through Ableton routing that don't appear the same in Reaper/ReaInsert. And this is all good up until 1 minute where he selects the reamped channel input as 'Primary', but that's not something that appears for me. 

Edited July 16, 2024 by SumOne

[MrDinsdale]

3 hours ago, SumOne said:

Yes, the Core seems very low (unnoticeable) latency. But I'm also using 'ReaInsert' which I think automatically deals with latency when reamping.

 

I'm using the Core Main/Dry/Sub outs to Reaper via USB which is working well -  can record a dry signal and signals with effects/cab sims etc, and then the signal goes back out to the Core to use for its audio outputs.

 

What I still can't figure out is though the reamping: Once recorded, I want to be looping the dry signal and running it back into the Core to muck about with Core effects, and then back into Reaper to record. It's a long shot but has anyone here done it the Core and Reaper? I'm probably missing something on the Core in/out USB settings or a Reaper settings. It's a bit of a complicated puzzle as there are 3x signals going from the Core to Reaper, then Reaper output is going back out to the Core to use for its outputs - but how do I now make that signal then get processed through the Core again (rather than monitor) and sent back to Reaper?  .....I'm sure it is possible, but there is a lot of back and forth virtual wiring to understand! Watching this  has helped me with ReaInsert. This  video is I'm all good upto 2 minutes but then he goes through Ableton routing that don't appear the same in Reaper/ReaInsert. And this is all good up until 1 minute where he selects the reamped channel input as 'Primary', but that's not something that appears for me. 

I’m not sure what realnsert is but in logic you just change the output on the dry channel to input 1 or something like that. You shouldn’t need any additional software. 

[MrDinsdale]

Try this, it’s less DAW specific IMO and easier to follow. https://youtu.be/7JtL1wQyclw?si=Fc5YIZlH_NJrUcVn

[tobiewharton]

Power Q:

 

Is anyone running a GT1000 Core off a single Cioks output? 9V max output quoted at 660mA and GT1000 Core quoted as requiring 670mA?

 

I'm putting a fly rig together and quite limited on PSU options due to size; a Cioks SOL would be ideal if possible. 

 

Rig comprises:

Voodoo Dingbat Tiny board;

Thumpinator V2;

Cali76 CB (run at 18V);

GT1000 Core;

Broughton always on HPF;

Walrus Badwater.

 

The PSU can't be ticker than 1 inch, but I can live with a wall wart if necessary. 

 

Any experience much appreciated!

 

Cheers, 

 

Tobie

 

 

 

[MrDinsdale]

4 hours ago, tobiewharton said:

Power Q:

 

Is anyone running a GT1000 Core off a single Cioks output? 9V max output quoted at 660mA and GT1000 Core quoted as requiring 670mA?

 

I'm putting a fly rig together and quite limited on PSU options due to size; a Cioks SOL would be ideal if possible. 

 

Rig comprises:

Voodoo Dingbat Tiny board;

Thumpinator V2;

Cali76 CB (run at 18V);

GT1000 Core;

Broughton always on HPF;

Walrus Badwater.

 

The PSU can't be ticker than 1 inch, but I can live with a wall wart if necessary. 

 

Any experience much appreciated!

 

Cheers, 

 

Tobie

 

 

 

I had mine on a single outlet and never had any issues at all.

[tobiewharton]

2 minutes ago, MrDinsdale said:

I had mine on a single outlet and never had any issues at all.

Brilliant. Thanks for sharing this!