koby 74 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I have a 5 string fan fret iron label bass with an interesting quirk. The neck of this bass has very little relief. The quirk is that while you might expect that the truss rod is very tight, it isn't. In fact, the truss rod is hardly engaged at all. Either Ibanez quite deliberately builds these basses with extremely straight necks, or this bass is just a bit odd. Or, of course, I might be misunderstanding this completely. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyJohnson Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Feasible that you just got lucky and the wood is doing the job of keeping the neck straightish without the truss rod being cranked. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I would simply add that these instruments are a pure lotery, most of them being total crap, once in a while there's an extraordinary one that ticks all the boxes, but it's simply due to chance, nothing else. Check statistics and you'll understand instantly. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 That is a bold statement HZ! Where are these stats? I am interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 19 hours ago, koby 74 said: I have a 5 string fan fret iron label bass with an interesting quirk. The neck of this bass has very little relief. The quirk is that while you might expect that the truss rod is very tight, it isn't. In fact, the truss rod is hardly engaged at all. Either Ibanez quite deliberately builds these basses with extremely straight necks, or this bass is just a bit odd. Or, of course, I might be misunderstanding this completely. Any thoughts? I'm not sure if Ibanez basses have dual action truss rods - if they do, I would think that the necks would be made to be pretty straight under load as the relief could be adjusted either way. 1 hour ago, Hellzero said: I would simply add that these instruments are a pure lotery, most of them being total crap, once in a while there's an extraordinary one that ticks all the boxes, but it's simply due to chance, nothing else. Check statistics and you'll understand instantly. 😉 Where can I download the statistics from, and exactly what statistics are they? And do you mean bass guitars in general, Ibanezes in particular, or this exact model of Ibanez specifically? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Owen said: That is a bold statement HZ! Where are these stats? I am interested. 2 hours ago, tauzero said: Where can I download the statistics from, and exactly what statistics are they? And do you mean bass guitars in general, Ibanezes in particular, or this exact model of Ibanez specifically? Looks like the term statistics was misunderstood : I'm talking about the science, not the results of it. In other words, mass produced instruments are not good instruments by definition as they are merely assembled without any special care, but from time to time, after a lot of assemblies, the right combination appears and, bingo, you have an extraordinary instrument that will be repeated again after a very high number of other assemblies, so statistics at work, just as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Hellzero said: Looks like the term statistics was misunderstood : I'm talking about the science, not the results of it. In other words, mass produced instruments are not good instruments by definition as they are merely assembled without any special care, but from time to time, after a lot of assemblies, the right combination appears and, bingo, you have an extraordinary instrument that will be repeated again after a very high number of other assemblies, so statistics at work, just as simple as that. Strange how so many people like their mass-produced basses. Could it be because mass-produced basses are designed and constructed specifically so that parts are interchangeable and the whole can be assembled simply? I don't think you have any sort of grasp of what statistics are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I'm so tired to have to justify myself for everything when it's so obvious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, Hellzero said: I'm so tired to have to justify myself for everything when it's so obvious... Justify yourself? You said "I would simply add that these instruments are a pure lotery, most of them being total crap" which is itself utter crap. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Yep, and I confirm that these mass produced instruments are total crap, just as the fact that the OP will never come back for thanking anyone. That said the OP is so clear that we don't even know if it's an Ibanez bass or an Iron... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Hellzero said: Yep, and I confirm that these mass produced instruments are total crap, just as the fact that the OP will never come back for thanking anyone. So the OP asks a question about his bass, and your answer is that it's total crap. Yeah, I bet he's overwhelmed with gratitude. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 It's just not that black and white. There are good mass-produced basses and poor hand- made basses. And a whole gamut in between. In any case, with reference to the OP; If it plays well and sounds good, all is likely to be well. Furthermore, it means there's a long way to go before the truss- rod is "maxed-out". If the neck stays put through variations in temperature/ humidity, then you're onto a winner. Nothing wrong with a rigid, strong, stable neck. As long as there's enough relief in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 53 minutes ago, Rich said: So the OP asks a question about his bass, and your answer is that it's total crap. Yeah, I bet he's overwhelmed with gratitude. 🙄 Maybe it's about time to start to learn to read! Moderator or not, I'm more than fed up by this total inability to understand what is really written and the way you like to patronise others! And you are not alone on this parish: It looks to be quite standard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 41 minutes ago, Hellzero said: Maybe it's about time to start to learn to read! Moderator or not, I'm more than fed up by this total inability to understand what is really written and the way you like to patronise others! And you are not alone on this parish: It looks to be quite standard! Perhaps this once, it is not the many who are wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDean Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 8 hours ago, Hellzero said: Maybe it's about time to start to learn to read! Moderator or not, I'm more than fed up by this total inability to understand what is really written and the way you like to patronise others! And you are not alone on this parish: It looks to be quite standard! Dude, you came in with a really strong opinion and incorrectly used the word "statistics"* when you have no data to back up your claim. People disagreed and wanted you to explain it a bit, you continued to fly off the handle. Just because you have a leduc or two, doesn't make you arbiter of what is good or bad. Mass produced basses have been working for a lot of people for a long time. Get off your high horse. If you'd taken the time to Google it, the Ibanez Iron Label is a metal orientated multiscale 5 string bass with a 5 piece maple and walnut neck. Should be pretty stable, and to answer OP, I reckon the neck sounds fine and has room for adjustment if it needs it. *Def: Statistics is the discipline that concerns the collection, organization, analysis, interpretation, and presentation of data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics?wprov=sfla1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 17 hours ago, Hellzero said: Yep, and I confirm that these mass produced instruments are total crap, just as the fact that the OP will never come back for thanking anyone. That said the OP is so clear that we don't even know if it's an Ibanez bass or an Iron... If you read the OP, it says it's an iron label Ibanez, and a swift google would show that Ibanez make a 5-string multiscale bass called an Iron Label. You think you're so f#cking clever and you can't even manage to find that out? You could be a great wit - you're halfway there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Horse Murphy Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) Weird how plenty of people who have put serious money into boutique basses also own mass produced instruments and hold them in high regard despite them being utter junk. Ibanez often build laminate necks with either carbon or titanium rods, very stiff necks and probably built that way to cater for the metal players the Iron label instruments are marketed towards with very little relief and a low action. Edited November 1, 2023 by lemmywinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Btw with my Ibanez (9 piece laminate neck with graphite inserts) the neck hasn't moved once since I first set it up over a year ago, no need for seasonal adjustment. Truss rod adjustment was quite gradual as well, if you're used to seeing a change straight away it might be a bit of a shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbass Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 I think it might be worth welcoming the OP to the forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 3 hours ago, acidbass said: I think it might be worth welcoming the OP to the forum I think the contents of this thread gave them a reasonable cross section of the goings on of Basschat! Anyway, back to the fighting!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 hours ago, binky_bass said: back to the fighting No. 🫣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 12 hours ago, Bolo said: No. 🫣 I will fight you for that... 9 rounds of overarm 'grandad' style boxing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulThePlug Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) Fighting... I'm still waiting on the pics. @koby 74 - welcome to the forum SR or BTB? I loves an SR... For me they are the ultimate body shape, necka and tidiest headstock... available at a multitude of price points and some of the wood finishes... wow. Get some pics up... Here, on the 'Black Bass' thread and The 'Ibanez Porn' Thread Edited November 2, 2023 by PaulThePlug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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