Woodinblack Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 On 14/04/2024 at 13:33, Woodinblack said: That is the same one I have, other than mine is white and cuvave, used for the last n years now, and never had a problem with. And thats what you get for saying that, I plugged them in at my last gig, no sound. Went to a cable which worked. Got them home and sure enough, no sound (the wireless still works, it knows if it is connected, but no sound), seems like the reciever output is broken. So I got some of the WS70 mentioned up the page, see what they are like, didn't like being on a cable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassAdder60 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) Well .. after using / gigging the Shure GLXD16+ and then selling up my gear as I was leaving gigging ( later to return after gear had gone ) I tried the NUX 5.8GHZ model and it’s very good but I just don’t like those hinged bug types I’ve decided so … Back to the trusty old Boss WL20 system which I know it’s 2.4ghz but in my opinion looks nicer, sounds good, longer battery life and good enough to stop using a lead and the tangles I get even when I’m 6ft away from my rig !! Im confident it won’t suffer if I’m always close to the amp receiver and the benefit is I can move about if I need to but the twisted lead issue will not trip me up etc etc ! Edited June 13 by BassAdder60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) Our singer / guitarist keeps trying different "bug" style wireless with the latest being a Boss unit but he is constantly having issues with them varying from loud buzzing to signal drop outs and even volume changes with some. His vocal mic is a Shure wireless system with no issues, Other singer has a Sennheiser wireless with no issues and i use the Shure GLXD16 pedal wireless system with no issues. I started with the Smooth Hound but started getting problems with it buzzing and very occasional drop outs. It was the buzzing that caused me to change to Shure. For me and it's just a personal opinion based on varying experience on stage with different musicians over past few years i can't see past the Shure gear where iits built like the proverbial brick s***house and has never wavered at any gig, so simple to set up and use plus its also my main tuner. Dave Edited June 13 by dmccombe7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, dmccombe7 said: Our singer / guitarist keeps trying different "bug" style wireless with the latest being a Boss unit but he is constantly having issues with them varying from loud buzzing to signal drop outs and even volume changes with some. His vocal mic is a Shure wireless system with no issues, Other singer has a Sennheiser wireless with no issues and i use the Shure GLXD16 pedal wireless system with no issues. See I am the other way - I have never had trouble with the dongle type stuff on my bass, or my wireless headphones, but the Shure wireless system on the sax is the bane of our life, always clicking or dropping the connection, eats batteries etc. We have to leave it until everything else is on before we start and scan channels or it will drop out, and it just seems to have really poor performance. I would love to use something non shure there, but it isn't my issue really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 hours ago, Woodinblack said: See I am the other way - I have never had trouble with the dongle type stuff on my bass, or my wireless headphones, but the Shure wireless system on the sax is the bane of our life, always clicking or dropping the connection, eats batteries etc. We have to leave it until everything else is on before we start and scan channels or it will drop out, and it just seems to have really poor performance. I would love to use something non shure there, but it isn't my issue really. Think that's the first negative thing i've heard about the modern Shure systems. Just goes to show all gear can have issues and trial and error is sometimes required. Can be an expensive road TBH. I know i may be wrong here but i always have it in my head that you get what you pay for but you've just proved me wrong there @Woodinblack Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 My experience is that all the cheap wireless systems are fine until you start using them in a band with a few other cheap wireless systems or in a location with lots of WiFi traffic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie C Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 8 hours ago, BassAdder60 said: Back to the trusty old Boss WL20 system which I know it’s 2.4ghz but in my opinion looks nicer, sounds good, longer battery life and good enough to stop using a lead and the tangles I get even when I’m 6ft away from my rig !! I have a WL20 and generally it is good, but once when I activated Bluetooth on our PA the WL20 immediately dropped out. I'm not sure if it was related - they're both on the 2.4GHz band, so possibly. But it did make me wary of using it at gigs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 56 minutes ago, BigRedX said: My experience is that all the cheap wireless systems are fine until you start using them in a band with a few other cheap wireless systems or in a location with lots of WiFi traffic. Agree but the cheap 5.8ghz don't seem to suffer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassAdder60 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 20 minutes ago, Rosie C said: I have a WL20 and generally it is good, but once when I activated Bluetooth on our PA the WL20 immediately dropped out. I'm not sure if it was related - they're both on the 2.4GHz band, so possibly. But it did make me wary of using it at gigs. I think if I’m close to my amp I should be ok !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) This seller has the Lekato MW-1 for £63 delivered, ordered one to see if it's viable for my IEMs. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403106000321 Might be a stupid question but would these work with stage lighting or do we need something more specialised? Our master/slave link cable between out lights is usually our longest cable run, also the most annoying and unsightly as it runs across the front of the stage so needs to be kept out of sight and awaw from drunk punters. Edited June 13 by lemmywinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 27 minutes ago, lemmywinks said: This seller has the Lekato MW-1 for £63 delivered, ordered one to see if it's viable for my IEMs. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403106000321 Might be a stupid question but would these work with stage lighting or do we need something more specialised? Our master/slave link cable between out lights is usually our longest cable run, also the most annoying and unsightly as it runs across the front of the stage so needs to be kept out of sight and awaw from drunk punters. If you've got one incoming, you could just give it a whirl. It would be interesting to find out. I suspect the main factors will be bandwidth (the control signals may be at a higher frequency than an audio system can handle) and possibly slew rate (how much a square wave gets distorted by the speed at which the voltage can change). Did you consider the Lekato MS-1 for the IEMs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 8 minutes ago, tauzero said: Did you consider the Lekato MS-1 for the IEMs? I use these and at the price it is silly not to! I get no notable latency (no worse than standing a few feet from my cabs if I use them) and I'm told you get distortion but tbh if you keep the various gain levels appropriate I don't hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, lemmywinks said: ...Might be a stupid question but would these work with stage lighting or do we need something more specialised?... Dmx signals are square-wave, at 125kHz. It would be a very good wireless system that could handle that , flawlessly. I would recommend rather that you extend your current cable and pass it around the back of the stage instead. Up to 300m is fine; it would be a very large stage indeed to need more than that. Use Dmx-approved cable, though; mic cables are not ideal for these frequencies. Hope this helps. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 50 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: Dmx signals are square-wave, at 125kHz. It would be a very good wireless system that could handle that , flawlessly. I would recommend rather that you extend your current cable and pass it around the back of the stage instead. Up to 300m is fine; it would be a very large stage indeed to need more than that. Use Dmx-approved cable, though; mic cables are not ideal for these frequencies. Hope this helps. Yeah here's the problem - I don't wanna pack away long cables! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 6 hours ago, Rosie C said: I have a WL20 and generally it is good, but once when I activated Bluetooth on our PA the WL20 immediately dropped out. I'm not sure if it was related - they're both on the 2.4GHz band, so possibly. But it did make me wary of using it at gigs. Thats why i changed all my X18 routing to 5G network as it stopped the mixer working when I used the XVive IEMs (luckily at practices). It never interfered with the 2.4 dongles I had for the bass but I thought it was safest to go to 5G for gigging and keep my 2.4GHz one for home 7 hours ago, BigRedX said: My experience is that all the cheap wireless systems are fine until you start using them in a band with a few other cheap wireless systems or in a location with lots of WiFi traffic. Haven't had that at all. Other than maybe some of this stuff upsets the Shure system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, tauzero said: If you've got one incoming, you could just give it a whirl. It would be interesting to find out. I suspect the main factors will be bandwidth (the control signals may be at a higher frequency than an audio system can handle) and possibly slew rate (how much a square wave gets distorted by the speed at which the voltage can change). Did you consider the Lekato MS-1 for the IEMs? This is a really good point, I could just test them with the incoming MW-1! I'll do that next time we use our lights and report back, we don't take them to a lot of gigs as a lot of venues round here have their own. I did look at the dedicated pack, it's 2.4ghz though ! think which I want to stay away from and also I'd rather have the failsafe of being able to directly swap the wireless solution out for an XLR cable if I get issues without changing anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, lemmywinks said: Yeah here's the problem - I don't wanna pack away long cables! Pack away several shorter cables, then. Have a set, long enough together for your longest anticipated runs, plus one extra. Dmx can be daisy-chained, one cable after another. 300m is a very long run; most of the stages I play on would not need more than a 50m, long enough to go from stage Front Left, around behind the drums, then forward to stage Front Right. I could easily do that with two 20m and a 10m, with a 10m spare. For smaller stages, I wouldn't need to unpack even those lengths. We have all cables (mic runs, foldback runs, FOH runs, lights, power...) always running around the back of stage.as much as possible (we need a short run for the floor monitors from the sides...). Just sayin'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Just now, Dad3353 said: Pack away several shorter cables, then. Have a set, long enough together for your longest anticipated runs, plus one extra. Dmx can be daisy-chained, one cable after another. 300m is a very long run; most of the stages I play on would not need more than a 50m, long enough to go from stage Front Left, around behind the drums, then forward to stage Front Right. I could easily do that with two 20m and a 10m, with a 10m spare. For smaller stages, I wouldn't need to unpack even those lengths. We have all cables (mic runs, foldback runs, FOH runs, lights, power...) always running around the back of stage.as much as possible (we need a short run for the floor monitors from the sides...). Just sayin'. If I wanted to increase our cable pack down times I wouldn't be looking for a wireless solution though! We've been looking to continually streamline our set up and pack down times, if we can spend a bit of money for an ongoing convenience that makes life a bit easier at every gig then we'll do it. We're all on IEMs with no backline or wedges, we ditched our stage snakes because they weren't really worth the hassle. Last gig we came off stage at midnight, all the gear was loaded into vehicles by 00:40 and I was home just after 1am which is how we like it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 hours ago, lemmywinks said: Yeah here's the problem - I don't wanna pack away long cables! Ah, that's easy. They use XLR connectors so just have several short cables joined end to end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 More practically, what are you using as a DMX controller? I'm thinking you may be able to use a brace of single-board computers (Pi Zero W or ESP32), network them wirelessly, have one echoing the DMX controller across their mini network and the other taking that echo and controlling the lights at its end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 14 hours ago, warwickhunt said: Agree but the cheap 5.8ghz don't seem to suffer. For the moment. However as 5.8GHz devices become more widespread I suspect it will eventually be as flakey as 2.4GHz systems. Enjoy it while you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 6 hours ago, tauzero said: Ah, that's easy. They use XLR connectors so just have several short cables joined end to end. Ya I've been gigging for a few decades now, I know how XLR cables work! A long cable run is still a long cable run regardless of how many cables are involved, 40m made up of multiple leads still means you're coiling 40m of cables at the end of the day. Was hoping there would be a cheap wireless solution so will give the incoming Lekato a try. 6 hours ago, tauzero said: More practically, what are you using as a DMX controller? I'm thinking you may be able to use a brace of single-board computers (Pi Zero W or ESP32), network them wirelessly, have one echoing the DMX controller across their mini network and the other taking that echo and controlling the lights at its end. I's just a simple pair of LED bars on stands with their own pedal controller, rarely with an extra bar at the back of the stage. Basically just after a simple plug and play wireless alternative to the longest XLR we run. Did look at the Stagg ones a while ago but they don't have a built in battery and require external power which is more faff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 46 minutes ago, BigRedX said: For the moment. However as 5.8GHz devices become more widespread I suspect it will eventually be as flakey as 2.4GHz systems. Enjoy it while you can. Absolutely but with consumer electronics being as cheap as this I'd envisage other frequencies will be migrated to and new Lekato (or similar) products will follow. I'm defo not saying that these units are the mutts nuts or of the exact same quality as say the Shure units... they aren't. However, if you are using them in pubs/clubs etc and you are ensuring you pack them away carefully after use, they do a job at less than a 1/10th of the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 7 minutes ago, lemmywinks said: I's just a simple pair of LED bars on stands with their own pedal controller, rarely with an extra bar at the back of the stage. Basically just after a simple plug and play wireless alternative to the longest XLR we run. Did look at the Stagg ones a while ago but they don't have a built in battery and require external power which is more faff. At a quick google, there is always this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004234857626.html edit - or this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10000088257201.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 3 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: At a quick google, there is always this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004234857626.html I think that's more than what we need tbh, did find this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005059970845.html? Which seems to be the same as the Stagg and other cheap brands at a fraction of the price, still no internal battery though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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