Barefaced Three10 Teaser: Anybody Know More?

[E sharp]

3 hours ago, Acebassmusic said:

Interesting choice to have the tweeter control opposite to most other audio controls ie: clockwise= more and anticlockwise = less. Wonder why? 🤔

Perhaps they have an ex Sadowsky employee working for them

Edited December 8, 2023 by E sharp

[fretmeister]

I wonder if Alex views it as an attenuator rather than a volume for the tweeter. 

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

It could mean the degree of attenuation, though that would be unconventional to say the least.

[pineweasel]

It’s the crossover frequency, so the lower the setting, the more HF signal goes to the tweeter

[Obrienp]

I would be interested to know how the crossover works with the main drivers. In the Two10, mids and highs go to one driver and bass frequencies to the other. In the Three10, is it treble to one, mids to one and bass to one? The blurb on the BF website doesn’t say.

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

1 hour ago, pineweasel said:

It’s the crossover frequency, so the lower the setting, the more HF signal goes to the tweeter

The crossover frequency should remain constant.

I would think that since it's intended for vertical placement that all three woofers would be full range. BTW, in the 210/410/610 all the drivers receive bass content. Half of them are low passed, so those don't receive upper mids and highs. It's what's known as an x.5 alignment. I mentioned it to Alex nearly 20 years ago as being how all 410s, 610s and 810s should be run. He obviously took my advice.

[Obrienp]

12 minutes ago, Bill Fitzmaurice said:

The crossover frequency should remain constant.

I would think that since it's intended for vertical placement that all three woofers would be full range. BTW, in the 210/410/610 all the drivers receive bass content. Half of them are low passed, so those don't receive upper mids and highs. It's what's known as an x.5 alignment. I mentioned it to Alex nearly 20 years ago as being how all 410s, 610s and 810s should be run. He obviously took my advice.

Thanks for the clarification. So no low pass filter on the Three10.

[Bill Fitzmaurice]

I don't know. If the cab is always vertical there's no need for it.

[Alfie]

Have Barefaced prices just gone up?

[fretmeister]

Recently - yes. Just like everything else has.

[Alfie]

Everything's going up except my wages.

 

The Two10 price seems to have gone up by £100 since a week ago. Last time they did that there was a little warning in case people were about to buy. Ultimately it's their business and they can do whatever they want, I'm just a bit disappointed.

[Chienmortbb]

37 minutes ago, Alfie said:

Everything's going up except my wages.

 

The Two10 price seems to have gone up by £100 since a week ago. Last time they did that there was a little warning in case people were about to buy. Ultimately it's their business and they can do whatever they want, I'm just a bit disappointed.

Have a look at @stevie's LFSys Monza. You will save a bit too.

[Obrienp]

On 11/12/2023 at 20:07, Chienmortbb said:

Have a look at @stevie's LFSys Monza. You will save a bit too.

Thanks for mentioning that. I had never heard of LFSys before. A bit of research and I found quite a few posts on BC from a few months ago. That does open up the options a bit. The only thing that slightly bothers me from the reviews,  is the lack of out and out bottom end. I have never had that problem with a BF cab. However, the ability to hear yourself, even when right on top of the LFSys cab, is a huge plus point.

[Merton]

@stevie’s LFSys cabs are exceptional. The Monaco especially so, though I appreciate that isn’t what was mentioned here. Would love to try one on a gig!

Note they are very different in concept to the Barefaced x10 range

[Chienmortbb]

The Barefaced 10 range  are deliberately coloured, sound wise. The LFSys cabs tend to have a substantially flat response, what you put in, you get out. 
 

I have gigged Silverstone and Monaco. The Silverstone has more bass but in most venues, I was cutting the bass on the amp or in a pedal to tame the boom. The Monaco, on first hearing and coming from the Silverstone seems a tad bass light but it has plenty where you need it. The difference is subtle but I rarely touch the EQ when using my Monaco, leaving the amp set flat. I believe that the Monaco (and 10”Monza) actually go lower than the Silverstone
  

I would happily gig either but is the transition from Barefaced 10s to might be a little easier with the Silverstone, sound wise. I am seriousley thinking of the newer 10” Monza ( should it be Monzter?). 

 

Similar to the Monaco but in a lighter 10” version. You lose a little in sensitivity but as I use it with  amps that can push 350+ watts into 8 ohms, that would not be a problem. 

[chris_b]

3 hours ago, Obrienp said:

. . . . The only thing that slightly bothers me from the reviews,  is the lack of out and out bottom end. I have never had that problem with a BF cab. However, the ability to hear yourself, even when right on top of the LFSys cab, is a huge plus point.

 

I heard several LFSys cabs at the SE Bass Bash. IMO they are worth investigating.

 

There is no "lack of bottom end". There is plenty of bass but it is tightly controlled which eliminates much of the boom and woolliness you get on many gigs.

[Dan Dare]

1 hour ago, chris_b said:

I heard several LFSys cabs at the SE Bass Bash. IMO they are worth investigating.

 

There is no "lack of bottom end". There is plenty of bass but it is tightly controlled which eliminates much of the boom and woolliness you get on many gigs.

 

Yep. That massive low end may sound good in isolation and at low/practice/studio volumes, but use it in a live situation and it's usually mud city. 

[tubbybloke68]

6 hours ago, Obrienp said:

Thanks for mentioning that. I had never heard of LFSys before. A bit of research and I found quite a few posts on BC from a few months ago. That does open up the options a bit. The only thing that slightly bothers me from the reviews,  is the lack of out and out bottom end. I have never had that problem with a BF cab. However, the ability to hear yourself, even when right on top of the LFSys cab, is a huge plus point.

I a/b’d the lfsys cabs against my bb2 barefaced at the recent south east bass bash going through my puma 900 which I pretty much always leave set flat.They sounded clearer and more balanced to me.As much I I love the bb2, I preferred the lfsys cabs , especially taken by the little 10” bugger.obviously it wasn’t a gig situation but as Chris mentioned, too much bottom end doesn’t usually translate to a successful overall sound.They had the low end, it was just nice, tight and controlled. 

Edited December 13, 2023 by tubbybloke68

[Dan Dare]

There's a clip of the new cab up on the BF YouTube channel. No sound, just someone showing how easy it is to lift it.

[Obrienp]

Alex has now put up a new video on YouTube with sound demo and some more explanation: 

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[Downunderwonder]

That fuzz sounds great.

[ossyrocks]

Thread resurrection.

 

Has anyone tried a 3x10?

 

I'm gigging a pair of Super Compacts. They are good, loud, full, fill the room, and I have no complaints about them. They are also easy to move. Except..... I do like the colouration of the BF 10's. The SC's need judicious eq and the right amp to get where I want them to be, and even then, they're not quite like the tone of BF 10's. I've had three One10's and a Two10 in the past, I probably wish I'd kept the Two10, but hey ho. 

On a gig yesterday, the bass player in the band on after us at a festival, an old friend, had a BF 6x10. It sounded wonderful. He was using an old Gallien Krueger 400RB, and a vintage Jazz Bass. But, the cab was too heavy for me to consider it as an option. We did talk about cabs a bit, he's curious about the 2x10, me not so much having had one, so I think the 3x10 could be the way forward for me. 

 

Anyway......if you have any experience, please share.

 

Thanks,

Rob

[fretmeister]

Alas, no.

 

I really want one, but I’ve got a One10 and One10T… and I’m not in a band at the moment so I can’t justify it.

 

 

[bassist_lewis]

I have a Three10 on order and it *should* be due this week. I will update when it arrives.

[ossyrocks]

1 hour ago, bassist_lewis said:

I have a Three10 on order and it *should* be due this week. I will update when it arrives.

 

Ah ha, good man.