Obrienp Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 31 minutes ago, MichaelDean said: If you're ever near Bristol, you'd be welcome to give mine a go. Thank you for the offer but I’m trying to keep myself away from anything that might induce further GAS at the moment. I have an LFSys Monza on order….. I lasted about two months after selling my two Orange 12s, before deciding I needed a single as well as my BF Two10. 🥴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itu Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Baloney Balderdash said: Are you suggesting that OP simply should paint their cab and be done with it, or what are you on about here? Also that doesn't mean that everything sounds the same, or equally good, that personal preferences and taste isn't a thing, or that everyone (or anyone for that matter) listen purely with their eyes! I just continued the story that @agedhorse had done years ago. Very good test, some didn't like the results... It was eye opening to understand how much we hear with our eyes. It is the same how we rate different players (endorsees) that how a system (instrument, amp, cab, fx...) sounds. It is anything but easy to rate equipment strictly from our own preferences. Yes, I have done and I have been in blind tests. They were really eye opening (sorry!). After several tests I was ready to trust my own ears. Not an easy task at all: the pressure is hard, because we all want to belong to group/s. Which set is suitable for you if your group prefers certain equipment? I can say if I do, or not like some thing. It may differ from some other opinions. Does not matter. At my age and experience I am able to find what I like, and I am very sceptical to what I see and hear from any paid channels. How about you? When I look at your modified Ibanez, I think you have found something that is not mainstream, isn't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itu Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 The previous comment is drifting away from the original topic, so sorry for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 5 hours ago, itu said: The previous comment is drifting away from the original topic, so sorry for that. These are conversations and can go where they go. Some people don't like that, but talking around the subject can make for a more interesting and informative thread. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aniki Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 Thanks again for all the responses. Just a quick update. I still have Ampeg and Orange cabs for live shows; the purpose of the mission was to find something simple and easy for jam sessions and practices that would be a bit more practical. Not bothered about the cost but I'm no snob either! If it costs £100 or £1000 I don't care as long as it gets the job done. For now, I've raided a mates studio spares and found an unbranded plywood box and a Celestion TN1525. If it gets even half way where I want it to it'll be a good start for a free cab. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 16 minutes ago, aniki said: I still have Ampeg and Orange cabs for live shows They have in common Eminence drivers that don't have long excursion capability. If you go to something like Barefaced that has long excursion drivers you can get the same output from a smaller box using half the driver count. But, and there's always a but, the tone and timbre that shorter excursion drivers contribute to the result isn't going to be there. Whether or not that works for you is 100% subjective. Quote It was eye opening to understand how much we hear with our eyes We all do, it's unavoidable, even among those who know better. http://seanolive.blogspot.com/2009/04/dishonesty-of-sighted-audio-product.html 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 These days* I hear with my lower back... When I switched to BF cabs, I made an effort/commitment to re-EQ, and made a leap of faith to consider the cabs as capable of producing anything I put in...and it worked. * Well, not so much these days; I've just mentioed in another thread that this weekend I realised I've not used my 'big' rig (Mesa/BF) more than a couple of times since before lockdown: I'm all IEMs and DI'd Stomp... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman Rich Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 On 04/02/2024 at 04:57, DGBass said: Sadly, that type of sound is a dying breed these days. @Phil Starr was on to something when he talked about fashions and trends. The choice of speakers for compact high performance light weight cabs almost dictates the use of 10 or 12 inch drivers and that affects the tonality. Most 15 inch high performance drivers that can deliver a substantial "thud" or "thump" as I prefer to descibe it will need a certain cabinet volume to work efficiently and at their best performance. The reality is that 1x15 cabs designated as high performance aren't very compact. If that was possible, I'm sure we would have seen a compact lightweight 1x15 thread here on basschat that delivered a useable build plan to conclusion. If there is one I may have missed it? And that's why there aren't so many of them around in the commerical market. The only one I've found interesting is the Mesa Subway 1x15 and thats because of previous experience with the high quality of Mesa cabs. But it costs nearly £1000. I've gone the lightweight route and found that modern boutique 2x10's still can't emulate the mid sucking thump a good vintage 1x15 cab can. I'll admit I'm firmly routed in the past as far as thud and thump are concerend and use a 44 year old Musicman RH115 made of solid pine but loaded with a state of the art Lavoce Neo driver. It weight in at 23kg, is a one handed lift and has that old school thud and thump in spades. The point here is that maybe an old school cab is worth hanging onto just to get that sound and maybe a modern driver upgrade will help lighten the load and be less expensive than shelling out a grand or more for a modern 2x10 cab or a 1x12? An SVT 810 is around 64kg. I mean, thats weighty. You could easily shell out a grand or more for some of the recommended modern lightwieght compact cabs that are always mentioned in these type of threads. There is a lot of scope available in a cab that weighs less than an svt810. For example, you could pick up a good Trace Elliot 1518 cab for around £50 that weighs 39kg but will have thud and thump by the shedload. Neo drivers don't really make much difference tonally, its all about the weight. I sort of wish when recommendations are made for boutique modern lightweight cabs that folks wound prepend a recommendation with the line "if you have a grand or more to spare, why don't you check out x cab from y manufacturer. It keeps things real. I love that old school thud and thump, a p-bass with flats and a large booming 1x15 cab. You wont ever be able to emulate that with a 1x12 or a 2x10. Yes, you might be able to move as much air, but the tonality will be different. I've tried for years and never come close. Open to any recommendations though with potential costs attached🙂 DGBass That low end dirty thump of an old school cab is EXACTLY the sound I want (and get from my Ashdown compact 1 x 15 cabs, with Eminence 3015s in) but they are too deep to fit in the boot of my car, as I've mentioned on another thread. The Mesa Subway cabs look incredibly well built, and being front ported, even better, but sadly, they too are too deep for me. I wonder if I could just make a cab thats a bit higher and wider, but not as deep, whether that would achieve the same sonic results......?? I feel a little project coming on, the wood and glue shouldn't be that expensive.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 33 minutes ago, Bassman Rich said: DGBass That low end dirty thump of an old school cab is EXACTLY the sound I want (and get from my Ashdown compact 1 x 15 cabs, with Eminence 3015s in) but they are too deep to fit in the boot of my car, as I've mentioned on another thread. The Mesa Subway cabs look incredibly well built, and being front ported, even better, but sadly, they too are too deep for me. I wonder if I could just make a cab thats a bit higher and wider, but not as deep, whether that would achieve the same sonic results......?? I feel a little project coming on, the wood and glue shouldn't be that expensive.. Depending how not deep you need you can port sideways to get the length in. Damping at least the back panel will be a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Downunderwonder said: Depending how not deep you need you can port sideways to get the length in. Damping at least the back panel will be a good idea. What matters is the cab internal volume, not the specific dimensions. As to damping it's required on all the internal surfaces. Edited August 20 by Bill Fitzmaurice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 4 hours ago, Downunderwonder said: Depending how not deep you need you can port sideways to get the length in. Damping at least the back panel will be a good idea. I did this when I modified my Ashdown After 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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