jimmango Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Hi Folks, Just a wee bit of advice needed on this one... let me explain. I have a lovely GB spitfire that I have gigged all over the world for the past few years, great bass, plays beautifully. But I have just recently finished an album which i played a G&L ASAT on, and have been rehearsing with that recently. And I have to say for what I am after tone-wise (think Aereogramme meets the Blue Nile with some Smashing Pumpkins thrown in) the G&L just blows the GB out of the water. It just has so much more grunt and bottom end and I just cannot get that out of the GB no matter what I try. The GB just has a much more Hi-Fi sound that really sounds thin in the mix in comparison. "Well, just carry on playing the G&L then" I hear you say! But here is the problem - it is just so damn uncomfortable to play with the nose dive issue that I can just see a major tendinitis relapse in the making if I start touring with it. Plus everyone needs a gig worthy spare or two don't they? So here is my thinking... i am going to give the GB an electronic overhaul and perhaps go entirely passive on it. I am thinking that a set of vintage jazz style Wizard pickups would work a treat, and if they could do the S1 style switching to get me some P-Bass tones that would be great too. But is it possible to have these built to fit in the soap bar shape? I don't want to modify the electronics that are already in it (as they are actually ex Mark King and may have some value to them!) but would prefer to swap the whole lot out. I also don't want to do any re-modeling to the body either... This is in no way a negative post against GB basses as I think they are wonderful - but I'm just after something a little less Mark King! Any suggestions/advice? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Ask Bernie? I expect Bernie's pickups are made by Kent or Aaron Armstrong and if you want some wound different I bet it can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odub Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 It's a shame the ASATs arn't the most comfortable, heavy too. I did find a grippy strap and using the bottom button gets rid of most of the neck dive, you can also get another button that fits onto the neck plate which apprently gets rid of it all together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmango Posted August 27, 2007 Author Share Posted August 27, 2007 ferret: Yup, that is one option which I may look into, but I'm in Glasgow... and to be honest, no offense to Bernie... but it can be really difficult and time consuming to deal with him! And im not sure he totally grasps the sound I'm after - certainly not on my last build away. He does know how to build a fine playing instrument though! odub: Yeah I know, I have looked into these options... but still compared to the GB... its a beast. And I have had huge trouble will repetitive strain in the past and just cant risk it for too long! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickThomas Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 If the ASAT is the sound you're after , but it's not comfy, try out an L2000 :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 I know what you mean - I have the luxury of living 20 mins away from Bernie so we can chew the fat as it were. Try one of the Scottish builders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmango Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Yeah unfortunately nick im not in the financial position to be able to buy another bass! Plus, the GB is so great to play it seems silly that it gets no use, dont want to sell it either, as it has been with me a while and played some good shows - i've become quite attached to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largo Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Are you sure just changing the pickups will alter your tone that much ? I used to have a GB Spitfire and as nice a bass as it was, it was the preamp that achieved the sound IMHO. Just too much unfortunately as all I could do was get a GB tone and not much else. If you wanna change the pickups checkout the Nordstrand Big Singles, or maybe Fat Stacks. A Jazz bass on steroids I guess with plenty growl if you need it and in a soapbar casing. Or, why not try an outboard preamp pedal like the Sadowsky, Aguilar etc and see if you can change tone that way ? Good luck ! S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmango Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Well what I was actually thinking of doing was ditching the preamps all together and going passive, surely thats gotta get rid of the GB sound! IMHO it just has to much cut/boost that makes it tricky to get the right tone quickly and simply (especially in a rock stiuation). You can just wipe out the whole sound with a quick turn of the mid control! The G&L still has a lot of power but it is difficult to destroy the tone quite so quickly. But i step further... I have played gigs with a jazz and loved the simplicity! But set up with something like the S1 style switching I think it would be a dream! Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmango Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Just been looking into those Nordstrand Big Singles, they might just do the trick!! Anyone used them passively?? Would be nice to have them running with vol/vol/tone plus S1 switch. That would leave me withe an unused pot though - or is it possible to wire them vol/vol/tone/tone? Just for more options - or is that a bit strange? Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Dont forget early jazz basses had 2 dual concentric pots - vol/tone for each pick up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Had a good play with mine last night as I dont usually muck about too much with the tone controls and it does have a distinctive sound that seems to survive whatever you do with the tone controls. Mine is a fretless and I use half rounds and this obviously gives it a different sound to fretted and rounds, and with the huge range of the tone controls I got some pretty extreme sounds, but the fundamental tone is still there. You could try different strings and rip the frets out This was one reason why I got my second GB as far removed from a standard Spitfire as you can get, although some horny little devil keeps whispering "dark star" in my ear. Unfortunately Bernie has a low opinion of Rock, but I had to tell him it is a very large market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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