solo4652 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 At rehearsal last night, we were playing This Love by Maroon 5. Guitarist said the song's in key of G. Keys player said it's Cm. Drummer (who also plays keys and guitar) said it's G, using Cm scale. Some "What key" websites say it's Fm. I'm confused. Here's the chord chart: https://www.e-chords.com/chords/maroon-5/this-love Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Cm. When it hits the G you can hear it hasn't resolved, whereas when it hits both Cm or Eb in that chord chart it does resolve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Unless you are intending to create new parts for the song rather than following what's on the definitive recording, does it matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, BigRedX said: Unless you are intending to create new parts for the song rather than following what's on the definitive recording, does it matter? Of course it matters - a guitarist and a drummer are wrong and need corrected, tag team style with a keys player. Get your head in the game! 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) Keys players are usually pretty clued up as they can see the notes of the chords. Guitarists tend to play shapes. Cm, with a few suspense/transition chords like the G7 and the F. The bass line is great with a lot of chromatic lines from memory. Edited May 15 by TimR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Remember when Mr Levine needed to see the booty? https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-may-need-to-see-the-booty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solo4652 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 (edited) The reason I'm asking is that we're using the arrangement of the live version of the song with drop outs at the start of both verses. This live version is one semitone lower than the studio version, but we're playing the song in whatever is the key of the studio version. In the live version, at the end of the first chorus, just before the drop out at the start of verse 2 are three stabs - three notes. Playing in the key of the original version (Cm?), on the bass, I think they're G#, Bb, B. Guitarist is saying they are G, A, Bb. Much discussion at rehearsal. Here's the live version transposed up 1 semitone. The three notes in question are at 1:16. What are those 3 notes on the bass, please? This Love live up 1 semitone from original Maroon 5.mp3 Edited May 15 by solo4652 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Are you sure that you've only transposed that up 1 semi-tone. The singer sounds like Mini Mouse, compared with the version I'm vaguely familiar with. Even if you do work out the key for the main part of the song, how do you know that it doesn't change for this particular part or that a note from outside of the key was used because it sounded better? Use your ears and play the notes that you think sound right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 39 minutes ago, solo4652 said: The reason I'm asking is that we're using the arrangement of the live version of the song with drop outs at the start of both verses. This live version is one semitone lower than the studio version, but we're playing the song in whatever is the key of the studio version. In the live version, at the end of the first chorus, just before the drop out at the start of verse 2 are three stabs - three notes. Playing in the key of the original version (Cm?), on the bass, I think they're G#, Bb, B. Guitarist is saying they are G, A, Bb. Much discussion at rehearsal. Here's the live version transposed up 1 semitone. The three notes in question are at 1:16. What are those 3 notes on the bass, please? This Love live up 1 semitone from original Maroon 5.mp3 4.79 MB · 39 downloads I agree with you - G# Bb B . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solo4652 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 3 minutes ago, pete.young said: I agree with you - G# Bb B . Thank you. It's doing my head in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 53 minutes ago, pete.young said: I agree with you - G# Bb B . Surely G♯ A♯ B. Let's not encourage this mixing of sharps and flats. Although in Cm, I suppose that should really be A♭ B♭ C♭. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belka Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 27 minutes ago, tauzero said: Surely G♯ A♯ B. Let's not encourage this mixing of sharps and flats. Although in Cm, I suppose that should really be A♭ B♭ C♭. The thing is, there are more minor keys than there are major (natural minor, melodic and harmonic), and this song sounds more harmonic minor than anything with the flattened 6th (Ab) and major 7th (B) being fairly prominent throughout. So to be enharmonically correct I think it would be Ab, Bb, B. The Bb is a chromatic approach note to the B and technically an accidental here. Quite unusual for a pop song these days I may be wrong though. Edited May 15 by Belka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solo4652 Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 (edited) Thank you to all those who've checked the 3 notes for me - it seems we're all in agreement regarding what they are. That's the most important thing as far as I'm concerned. As for what they're called - well, being honest, that's of less importance to me. Edited May 15 by solo4652 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lksmks792 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 It's definitely in Cm (though one could argue the chorus is actually in Eb, which uses the same notes). The verses start out on a dominant G resolving to tonic Cm, probably confusing those who just think 'first chord = key'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 2 hours ago, tauzero said: Surely G♯ A♯ B. Let's not encourage this mixing of sharps and flats. Although in Cm, I suppose that should really be A♭ B♭ C♭. I heartily applaud the modern fashion for writing everything in C and making every deviation from the major scale an accidental. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 On the studio version the key is 3b's (Eb). The first chord is a dominant 7 1st Inversion: (G7/B) This chap below has it nailed (accompanied with a scrolling video). All the Bass notes, chord terminology/changes etc are correct. For non-readers, he has provided tab as well. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munurmunuh Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 On 16/05/2024 at 12:03, lowdown said: All the Bass notes Just spotted a change from Eb to E natural which isn't in the notation, at 1'46" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munurmunuh Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 On 15/05/2024 at 12:49, tauzero said: Surely G♯ A♯ B. Let's not encourage this mixing of sharps and flats. Although in Cm, I suppose that should really be A♭ B♭ C♭. Pointing the existence of the Italian Sixth chord of Bb D G# would be facetious of me, but more seriously that's no more a Cb than I'm the resurrection of Prince Phillip, it's so clearly the leading note going into the chord of C minor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 21 minutes ago, Munurmunuh said: Just spotted a change from Eb to E natural which isn't in the notation, at 1'46" Yes, if you talking about the displaced note on (off) beat four at bar 38, it's an engraving error. Bar 36 is correct. (I think we can forgive him a dropped natural). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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