PaulWarning Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 So I'm in the pub and someone has left a Daily Star on the table, so I have read, as you do, there's John Lydon giving it some about the Pistols doing gigs without him, oh dear, that hasn't done his ego any good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Yeah I’ll bet he took the news very calmly 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkMohawk Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 From everything I've seen, Lydon's been an insufferable arse for years, so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the other blokes never even gave him a call about the original benefit shows, doubt he'd have been up for anything that didn't benefit him. Throwing his support, little though it may be, behind Trump and Farage really just seals the deal that Lydon needs to be put out to pasture. Frank Carter has always been a great frontman, back in the Gallows days and more recently with the Rattlesnakes, so him smashing it with Pistols isn't a surprise at all. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskwave Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 This whole anti Lydon thing is grating. I wonder how many of you were actually there as a mid aged teen in 76? I was, and his theatrical presence was like a cyanide laced razor blade bursting outta the Zeitgeist. It was pretty mind blowing, but you had to be there. I've no time for them now because for me they represented a new type of yoof thinking at that time. Anyway good luck to whoever has the rights to go out performing as the 'SP', but for me the Sex Pistols were then and not now. Now they are just old men playing the tunes. It ain't the same... at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 1 hour ago, diskwave said: Now they are just old men playing the tunes. but there's plenty of other old men wanting to relive the best time of their lives, can't see the harm in it myself 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubit Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Well there was a tour of Elvis where they used a hologram. The real Elvis declined to appear as his shift at the chippy wouldn't allow it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 I’m not anti Lydon, I just think that great frontman he is, of my all time favourite band, he’s probably someone who I would find irritating and hard work in real life. Besides, The Sex Pistols were my teenage posters on the bedroom wall band, I wouldn’t like to meet any of them (I have had a good few opportunities to do so) I’d rather leave them on that wall, being the main inspiration for me becoming a musician. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 1 hour ago, Lozz196 said: I wouldn’t like to meet any of them (I have had a good few opportunities to do so) I’d rather leave them on that wall, being the main inspiration for me becoming a musician. This. Never meet your heroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meterman Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 2 hours ago, Lozz196 said: I wouldn’t like to meet any of them I've met Glen Matlock and Paul Cook a few times each. Both of them were nice fellas. Matlock even showed me how he played "Three Button Hand Me Down" finger style, certainly something I could only manage with a pick. Decent guy 👍 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 It’s both of those that I could quite easily have chatted with, at various events/gigs I’ve been at/playing. I’m sure both would have been fine as I’ve met and gigged with loads of musicians who I watched on Top of The Pops etc when growing up, and whose records I’ve got. But for me I just wanted to keep them as my teenage heroes and not as real people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 10 minutes ago, meterman said: I've met Glen Matlock Me too! Weirdly, his band (whoever they were at the time, can't remember!) supported my band at the Cricketers in Kennington. Seemed like a decent bloke. But I have met two of my bass heroes, Bootsy and Flea, and both are excellent - they even told me I didn't need to be on my knees and there was no need to back away from them bowing all the way when leaving... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meterman Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 18 minutes ago, meterman said: I've met Glen Matlock and Paul Cook a few times each. Both of them were nice fellas. Matlock even showed me how he played "Three Button Hand Me Down" finger style, certainly something I could only manage with a pick. Decent guy 👍 Only time a pro player has ever sat down in front of me and showed me how they play a particular line, btw. And even though he was taking the píss out of me a bit for using a pick, he was still friendlier than a fair amount of the non-famous punters that came through the door of the shop I was doing part time work at for 6 months, back in 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meterman Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 12 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said: Me too! Weirdly, his band (whoever they were at the time, can't remember!) supported my band at the Cricketers in Kennington. Seemed like a decent bloke. But I have met two of my bass heroes, Bootsy and Flea, and both are excellent - they even told me I didn't need to be on my knees and there was no need to back away from them bowing all the way when leaving... Woah, Bootsy!!!! That's brilliant 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meterman Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Lozz196 said: It’s both of those that I could quite easily have chatted with, at various events/gigs I’ve been at/playing. I’m sure both would have been fine as I’ve met and gigged with loads of musicians who I watched on Top of The Pops etc when growing up, and whose records I’ve got. But for me I just wanted to keep them as my teenage heroes and not as real people. The only famous musician that I own records of that was a bit of an árșe when I met him was Clem Burke from Blondie. It was him and his tech, and his tech was super friendly, but sadly Clem must have got out of bed on the wrong side of the hotel that morning, because he was grumpy AF. Made for a loooong few hours that day. Can't think of any other examples, everyone else I've met has been friendly enough. Even Van flipping Morrison! Just goes to show, you never know who's going to be alright and who isn't. Wouldn't want to meet Bob Dylan, mind. Everyone I know who's met him has said the same thing: "miserable git" haha 😂 Edited December 7 by meterman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 Despite them having been a big part of my very early musical journey, I've been a bit disconnected from the Ex Pistols reunion stuff. It's come to my attention (saw a poster in Edinburgh) that it's presumably grown legs, as they're headlining what appears to be a big outdoor old-skool punk bash in Glasgow next summer. I'd expect there are other gigs too. Looking at the line up for the day, it occured to me that while the latterly noxious Mr Lydon may not be involved, you at least get three original Sex Pistols, unlike some of their contemporaries on the bill who might be more realistically advertised as The Strangler, and The Skid. No, I don't expect I'll be going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyJohnson Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 18 hours ago, chris_b said: This. Never meet your heroes. I met John. Genuinely a lovely, lovely bloke. That said, (the late) Rambo Stevens was with him and I found him a bit unpleasant. I know they were great mates, but it was as if John was playing up for his benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 (edited) The Sex Pistols is Lydon, Cook, Matlock and Jones. Or with Vicious if you don't care what it sounds like. On his talk tour Lydon gently rubbished the notion of a group without him. However, that doesn't stop the other three putting on a show without him. It's just the same as No Freddie, No Queen - YMMV. Edited December 9 by 12stringbassist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 There are only 2 questions; does the band want to do it and do the ticket sales make it possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 On 05/12/2024 at 22:02, PinkMohawk said: From everything I've seen, Lydon's been an insufferable arse for years, so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the other blokes never even gave him a call about the original benefit shows, doubt he'd have been up for anything that didn't benefit him. Throwing his support, little though it may be, behind Trump and Farage really just seals the deal that Lydon needs to be put out to pasture. Frank Carter has always been a great frontman, back in the Gallows days and more recently with the Rattlesnakes, so him smashing it with Pistols isn't a surprise at all. The thing is that there is an enormous divide between the former Pistols, so any of them refusing to do something or not being invited shouldn't be a surprise. If John Lydon actually was bothered enough, he would have put an injunction on them to stop them playing. Once he hasn't done that, the rest can run with it. But it will always be a man short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 2 hours ago, 12stringbassist said: The thing is that there is an enormous divide between the former Pistols, so any of them refusing to do something or not being invited shouldn't be a surprise. If John Lydon actually was bothered enough, he would have put an injunction on them to stop them playing. Once he hasn't done that, the rest can run with it. But it will always be a man short. They're actually going out billed as 'Sex Pistols (Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock) featuring Frank Carter' rather than just 'Sex Pistols', probably in case Jonners had a hissy fit about it. Still using the logo, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 51 minutes ago, Bassassin said: They're actually going out billed as 'Sex Pistols (Paul Cook, Steve Jones, Glen Matlock) featuring Frank Carter' rather than just 'Sex Pistols', probably in case Jonners had a hissy fit about it. Still using the logo, though. There was plenty of content released as The Sex Pistols, but without Lydon after he left the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassassin Posted December 9 Share Posted December 9 2 hours ago, MacDaddy said: There was plenty of content released as The Sex Pistols, but without Lydon after he left the first time. That would've been the post-Lydon Rock 'N Roll Swindle era stuff, and McLaren's doing. Not 100% about it but I think there was a court case between the band members & McLaren over the ownership of the name, probably when they reformed back in the 90s. Someone who's more of a fan will know better than I do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upside downer Posted December 9 Author Share Posted December 9 2 minutes ago, Bassassin said: That would've been the post-Lydon Rock 'N Roll Swindle era stuff, and McLaren's doing. Not 100% about it but I think there was a court case between the band members & McLaren over the ownership of the name, probably when they reformed back in the 90s. Someone who's more of a fan will know better than I do! Court case ended early 1986. Lydon, Cook, Jones and Sid's estate walked away with whatever was left in the pot (around £1 million). Matlock got nowt out of that as he'd signed away all his rights when he left in 1977. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switch625 Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 Not seen this mentioned since the announcement yesterday, sorry if I missed it elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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