Origin Bassrig Super Vintage vs 64 Black Panel.

[danpb]

A question for those who’ve owned or atleast spent some time with both. 
 

I’ve owned both at separate times so never A/B in my own rig’s context, sold both but I  have a need for one again. I remember enjoying them both.

 

which do you prefer and why? I find they both do a really nice warm tubey tone, vintage or modern, both take dirt pedals well and sound great DI or into a clean amp.

 

i can’t decide which I want to get this time. 
 

Mostly used with a 70s P bass, pick and rounds, nearly always some Drive involved, sometimes subtle and sometimes down right filthy.

[risingson]

Does sounds like the Super Vintage would be the one for you based on your description. 

I’ve had the Black Panel for 2 years or so. I love it but it’s got its drawbacks. The non-defeatable cab sim on the DI is problematic because I like the tone straight out the 1/4” a lot more. Unfortunately that creates noise in the signal which makes it challenging for recording, and in certain live situations it’s also been a problem. 
 

On the plus side, the thing just sounds phenomenal. The tube-like quality of it as you’ve mentioned takes some beating, it sounds amazing just before breakup at gain stage. I’ve also got the Jad Freer Capo on my board which I’d probably describe as more versatile an EQ, but it does not have the same level of quality to the tube emulation. The Fender tone stack in the Black Panel is fairly limited in range but it’s totally unique for the tone I want which is pretty vintage. I’m also a P-Bass player but use flatwounds. Match made in heaven tonally for me. 
 

Sadly because I don’t use it as my main DI and just as a preamp, the noise from the 1/4” has rendered it a bit obsolete as of late. 
 

I’ve not spent any considerable time with the Super Vintage, but I’d say the cab sim on the DI feels more usable given it’s meant to emulate the 8x10. Would be interested to own one at some stage. 

[Byo]

I also agree that the Ampeg flavour will suit your sound best, based on your description.

 

I have both and use different basses with each, and the Super Vintage is the one I use the most with my P-Bass and drive pedals.

 

The Black Face sounds great too, I love it equally, but you cannot go wrong with that Ampeg tone and the 8x10 cab emulation if you like drive.

[e28m54]

Not to highjack a thread but I was also wondering which one might suit me best. 

I run a tonehammer 500 with a barefaced super twin (no T) for my stage sound but i want to send a cab simulated feed to FOH. 

Which one of these origin pedals do you guys thinks best for a wide range of tones, and most similar to the frequency response and tonal flavour of my amp+cab setup? 

I'm running a few FX: OC2, plasma, Doom 2 and Subspace for instance, everything motown flatwounds vintage tones, jazzbass slap, electronic synth octave/fuzz and rock playing with a pick.

What does everyone think? 

Cheers

[knicknack]

@e28m54 SV for sure! More versatile. If there isn't anything up on this forum at the moment, I do know someone with one for sale so feel free to give me a PM!

[Quatschmacher]

I’d give @knicknack’s very helpful comparison video a(nother) watch if you’re unsure.

 

At the moment, I’m running the SV pretty clean, with maybe just a hint of breakup at the highest dynamic levels. The Black Panel I’m running with a similar knob position on the drive but that comes out sounding much dirtier with a really high response to dynamics: playing lightly makes it almost clean and increasing dynamic level pushes the dirtiness up.

 

I’ve dialled these in for my (rosewood) P bass with Labella flats; the (maple) P with rounds probably requires a totally different bunch of settings.

 

FWIW I’m not going for heavy RATM type dirty tones, more funk/soul stuff. 

Edited February 22 by Quatschmacher

[e28m54]

thanks guys, "just a hint of breakup at the highest dynamic levels" is exactly how I set the tone hammer, so SVT might be the way to go.

one last question would be which of the cab sims would be most similar to a barefaced super twin? I'd assume the ampeg as barefaced's website says its designed to sound like an 8x10 in terms of frequency range but flatter response overall, would the fender cab sim be too different? 

I dont really want to send a drastically different signal to FOH compared to what I'm getting on stage, at the moment i just tell the tech to hi -cut to around 5k and that seems to do the trick. 

[Quatschmacher]

2 minutes ago, e28m54 said:

just a hint of breakup at the highest dynamic levels

You could absolutely do this with the BP too by setting the drive lower. I just happen to like that setting. If I put a compressor in front of it I can use that to get the BP to only breakup when digging in really hard, effectively giving me two sounds at the push of a button. 

[Quatschmacher]

@knicknack what strings/gauge were you using on the P bass in your comparison video?

[knicknack]

@Quatschmacher Great question... not sure if I'd discovered Stringjoy at that point so likely to be D'addario EXL170, or possibly Curt Mangan Nickels!

 

Edit.. Kinda looks like a 105 on the bottom which would suggest CMs...

Edited February 25 by knicknack