Beedster Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Gotta love the guy for his thick skin š¤ Ā https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp352111wyxo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Thick indeed. Ā Love him for the old stuff but the 21st century has been a bit of a car crash for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upside downer Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 The man has a chip shop on his shoulder, never mind a chip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostwheel Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 I wonder if they wouldāve invited Guy Pratt to play bass had Mr Marr accepted the offer.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Only Guigsy is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 29 Author Share Posted August 29 I find it amazing that Mozza appears to turn this on Marr, whose restraint and humour in response makes Mozza look even more pathetic. Ā A good mate of mine summed things up rather nicely after Rock Astleyās Smiths set at Glasto āPeople love the music of The Smiths so much that theyāre prepared to watch literally anyone but Morrisey sing itā¦ā 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted August 29 Share Posted August 29 Thereās no doubt that heās a rather complex character, to say the least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackroadkill Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 10 hours ago, upside downer said: The man has a chip shop on his shoulder, never mind a chip. Ā And it doesn't sell saveloys, either! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyJohnson Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Never a Smiths/Morrissey fan, so much so that if I was on Pointless I'd only be able to name one song (Panic) from the entire output. Ā I've got a mate though, big fan; literally lives and breathes them.Ā When people say they know every word of every song, this is the guy.Ā (Believe me, we tested it over dinner one night.). He knows of Morrissey's alleged political alignment(s) but the overriding thing is the music, that trumps everything and is more disappointed that they just don't lick their wounds and do it for their fanbase. Ā While there may be bad blood between them, because someone is the polar opposite of your political ideology doesn't necessarily make them a bad person, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 30 Author Share Posted August 30 15 minutes ago, NancyJohnson said: While there may be bad blood between them, because someone is the polar opposite of your political ideology doesn't necessarily make them a bad person, does it? Ā Normally I'd agree (see Gallagher versus Gallagher), but I suspect that Mozza has burned the last remaining bridge; he's been quite unpleasant even in public, I dread to think what he's like to work with over an extended period. I take my hat off to Marr for turning down what could/would no doubt be a massive payday and remaining true to playing music that he likes to play with people he likes to play with. He's also I suspect pragmatic enough to know that the tour would be unlikely to make it past a few weeks.... Ā There's a sense reading around this stuff that people feel that Mozza has reached out with an olive branch and Marr, having not responded, is the bad guy. I suspect the truth is that Mozza - as do Liam and Noel - sees a massive payday plus a potential renaissance of his media status and possibly a chance to restore his very damaged reputation, while Marr simply sees no reason other than money to be involved. Part of me hopes Marr ends up on the Oasis tour just to really piss Mozza off Ā 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 (edited) Personally I donāt understand why fans want to see bands that were really important and relevant in their time reforming and creating some pale middle aged interpretation of their youth. I can get it with blues, reggae, pink Floyd even (like a decent red wine they age well) Ā but personally I donāt think music written by angry young guys translates well when rehashed by comfortably off middle aged guys to an audience of comfortably off middle aged guys, largely because of the payday.Ā Ā Plus Morrisey has always been a tw@t, he is now just a cantankerous, dissatisfied caricature of a tw@t (on stilts). Edited August 30 by tegs07 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 There's a lot more to this than the recent offer and simply saying Marr is turning down money ignores a lot of the interaction between them since the breakup of The Smiths. They continually get offers and have been close to reuniting more than once, only for Morrissey to ghost Marr. The Joyce/Rourke lawsuit had them on opposing sides too and seemed to be the point where they really stopped getting along. Ā If you don't need the money and you certainly don't need the ballache, why would you chase the first when you know the second is part of the package? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram.k.hackenbacker Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 37 minutes ago, Beedster said: ā¦. but I suspect that Mozza has burned the last remaining bridge; he's been quite unpleasant even in public, I dread to think what he's like to work with over an extended period. ā¦.calling @GaryDay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 "Morrissey undertakes a largely sold out tour of the USA in November." Ā Seems like a grab for some free column inches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyJohnson Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, Beedster said: Ā Normally I'd agree (see Gallagher versus Gallagher), but I suspect that Mozza has burned the last remaining bridge; he's been quite unpleasant even in public, I dread to think what he's like to work with over an extended period. I take my hat off to Marr for turning down what could/would no doubt be a massive payday and remaining true to playing music that he likes to play with people he likes to play with. He's also I suspect pragmatic enough to know that the tour would be unlikely to make it past a few weeks.... Ā There's a sense reading around this stuff that people feel that Mozza has reached out with an olive branch and Marr, having not responded, is the bad guy. I suspect the truth is that Mozza - as do Liam and Noel - sees a massive payday plus a potential renaissance of his media status and possibly a chance to restore his very damaged reputation, while Marr simply sees no reason other than money to be involved. Part of me hopes Marr ends up on the Oasis tour just to really piss Mozza off Ā Ā I don't follow Morrissey in any respect so I haven't got clue what's been said historically. Certainly from my mate, old Stephen is a bit acerbic, but by and large,Ā if there's a photo of him and narrative I generally scroll past it...beyond the legal/royalty case everything related to The Smiths is somewhat of a grey area for me. Ā Even from what I do know, I'd concur working with him would be difficult at best. Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted August 30 Author Share Posted August 30 47 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said: ā¦.calling @GaryDay Ā I imagine a few NDAs have been signed...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyJohnson Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 hour ago, tegs07 said: Personally I donāt understand why fans want to see bands that were really important and relevant in their time reforming and creating some pale middle aged interpretation of their youth. Ā Ā As musicians and music fans, we just want to cling onto and experience something akin to how we felt back then, be this watching Japan at Dingwalls in 1978/79 or The Heartbreakers at the Roxy. Ā Love or hate Oasis, you know that if they can keep it together it's going to be off the scale and good luck to them.Ā I'm not a big fan per se (admittedly they do have a decent back catalogue), but I'm quite interested in how it's going to pan out.Ā Ā I'd rather this reunion than the unending stuff like Kiss, Motley Crue etc.Ā These bands are well past their sell by date. Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 8 minutes ago, NancyJohnson said: As musicians and music fans, we just want to cling onto and experience something akin to how we felt back then, be this watching Japan at Dingwalls in 1978/79 or The Heartbreakers at the Roxy. As long as it doesnāt turn out like Mike Tyson during his last few appearances then fine. Otherwise itās just sad. Sometimes a legacy should just be left behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram.k.hackenbacker Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 21 minutes ago, Beedster said: Ā I imagine a few NDAs have been signed...... Iām sure youāre right, but it doesnāt hurt to ask š 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetera Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Just reinforces my negative view of Morrissey and positive view of Marr.... I don't think I could share a tour with a Gammon who doesn't eat gammon either.... 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meterman Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 After the court case, Mike Joyce probably wouldn't share a stage with Morrissey, neither would Johnny Marr, and Andy Rourke is sadly no longer with us.Ā Ā Which begs the question, how would Morrissey tour as The Smiths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upside downer Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 21 minutes ago, meterman said: After the court case, Mike Joyce probably wouldn't share a stage with Morrissey, neither would Johnny Marr, and Andy Rourke is sadly no longer with us.Ā Ā Which begs the question, how would Morrissey tour as The Smiths? Ā He could go out as The Smith, I suppose? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 1 minute ago, upside downer said: Ā He could go out as The Smith, I suppose? Ooh, that's a bit contentious,Ā A SmithĀ Ā is better and more accurate. By the same measure, the Gallagher boys should be going out asĀ Not Quite 'Sis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 17 minutes ago, ezbass said: Ooh, that's a bit contentious,Ā A SmithĀ Ā is better and more accurate. By the same measure, the Gallagher boys should be going out asĀ Not Quite 'Sis. Ā Given his gammonness, perhaps "Whitesmith" would be appropriate. And as 40% of Oasis, maybe the Gallaghers could be "OA". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upside downer Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 They could merge and become a supergroup. O, a Smith. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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