Apple Music

[Beedster]

Learning some new tracks from Dylan and The Band and have just noticed that the ‘albums’ on Apple Music appear to be compilations of some original and some live tracks. There are also a couple of tracks missing on some albums. Can’t see any setting options referring to this, am I being a prat?

[Bassman Sam]

Have you tried  Spotify to compare them?

[Beedster]

1 minute ago, Bassman Sam said:

Have you tried  Spotify to compare them?

Don’t need to, I know there are no live tracks on the albums in question, sountrack of my youth and all that 👍

[BigRedX]

1 minute ago, Beedster said:

Don’t need to, I know there are no live tracks on the albums in question, sountrack of my youth and all that 👍

 

Yes but the modern digitised versions may have additional tracks on them. Like CD reissues.

[Beedster]

4 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

 

Yes but the modern digitised versions may have additional tracks on them. Like CD reissues.

Yep but at the cost of removing the originals?

[Beedster]

For example on my Apple Music app The Band’s second album starts with a live version of Great Divide and doesn’t include Cripple Creek…

[Beedster]

Just checked them against Amazon Music which I appear to have access to and all is as per original albums there 👍

[cybertect]

7 hours ago, Beedster said:

For example on my Apple Music app The Band’s second album starts with a live version of Great Divide and doesn’t include Cripple Creek…

Same here, Cripple Creek is greyed out and ‘not available in your region’ when you click on it.

 

I believe it must be licensing issues, possibly UK specific from that message. That remastered version of Cripple Creek is also unavailable on The Capitol Albums 1968-1977, although oddly you can listen to what may be a different remaster on A Musical History. 
 

I have seen it elsewhere on Apple Music. Camera and Don’t Go Back To Rockville are greyed out on Reckoning by REM, for example.

Edited September 15, 2024 by cybertect

[wateroftyne]

Looks like a licensing blip. It’s all present and correct on the 2019 reissue.

 

https://music.apple.com/gb/album/the-band-deluxe-edition-remixed-2019/1481114206

[Beedster]

3 hours ago, wateroftyne said:

Looks like a licensing blip. It’s all present and correct on the 2019 reissue.

 

https://music.apple.com/gb/album/the-band-deluxe-edition-remixed-2019/1481114206

Thanks Michael I’ll check out that link seems a lot if Dylan/Band albums are affected 👍

[wateroftyne]

8 minutes ago, Beedster said:

Thanks Michael I’ll check out that link seems a lot if Dylan/Band albums are affected 👍

No probs. It’s a much nicer mix than the original, too. 

[Beedster]

4 minutes ago, wateroftyne said:

No probs. It’s a much nicer mix than the original, too. 

Ooh that’s promising 🙏

[Beedster]

1 hour ago, wateroftyne said:

No probs. It’s a much nicer mix than the original, too. 

 

Wow, see what you mean, bass appears a lot more prominent?

 

[paul_5]

I’m not a fan of Apple Music for the simple reason that it defaults to the latest release (often a remaster) of albums - Megadeth have done some awful things to their early canon of work and I can’t get Apple to play anything but these later versions. 

[wateroftyne]

Just now, paul_5 said:

I’m not a fan of Apple Music for the simple reason that it defaults to the latest release (often a remaster) of albums - Megadeth have done some awful things to their early canon of work and I can’t get Apple to play anything but these later versions. 

Strange.. I find the opposite (see example above).

[Beedster]

I guess it varies with band/genre. I found it bloody annoying when I started having to listen very hard to Danko's basslines in both Dylan and The Band tracks to find that the versions Apple Music was giving me where not the same as the other guys were getting from Spotify and certainly not the versions that I remembered from the albums themselves. I've solved the issue in that I'm going to work from the CDs, but to my mind it doesn't change the fact that if Apple are charging people to download an 'album', they should allow you to download the actual album, and not what appears to amount to a pretty random collection of live versions/remixes albeit of the same songs. Perhaps part of this for me is that I'm of an era both in age and musical  preference in which the idea of the album still remains the overarching driver of the music, a statement of the band's thoughts and emotions at the moment in time. The first track on the original album Blonde on Blonde really sets an odd tone, and I've always loved it for that. The version on Apple Music however is live and to my ear has a very different feel, almost as if by the time it was recorded, Dylan had come to hate the song, and I think it sets the album off in a very different direction. I wonder if people who find Dylan through digital might be taken on a very different journey to that he intended when he recorded the album? 

[Beedster]

18 minutes ago, Beedster said:

I guess it varies with band/genre. I found it bloody annoying when I started having to listen very hard to Danko's basslines in both Dylan and The Band tracks to find that the versions Apple Music was giving me where not the same as the other guys were getting from Spotify and certainly not the versions that I remembered from the albums themselves. I've solved the issue in that I'm going to work from the CDs, but to my mind it doesn't change the fact that if Apple are charging people to download an 'album', they should allow you to download the actual album, and not what appears to amount to a pretty random collection of live versions/remixes albeit of the same songs. Perhaps part of this for me is that I'm of an era both in age and musical  preference in which the idea of the album still remains the overarching driver of the music, a statement of the band's thoughts and emotions at the moment in time. The first track on the original album Blonde on Blonde really sets an odd tone, and I've always loved it for that. The version on Apple Music however is live and to my ear has a very different feel, almost as if by the time it was recorded, Dylan had come to hate the song, and I think it sets the album off in a very different direction. I wonder if people who find Dylan through digital might be taken on a very different journey to that he intended when he recorded the album? 

 

...and I think this is especially true when the version Apple provides is performed by different musicians to the original album 

[cybertect]

3 hours ago, Beedster said:

I guess it varies with band/genre. I found it bloody annoying when I started having to listen very hard to Danko's basslines in both Dylan and The Band tracks to find that the versions Apple Music was giving me where not the same as the other guys were getting from Spotify and certainly not the versions that I remembered from the albums themselves. I've solved the issue in that I'm going to work from the CDs, but to my mind it doesn't change the fact that if Apple are charging people to download an 'album', they should allow you to download the actual album, and not what appears to amount to a pretty random collection of live versions/remixes albeit of the same songs. Perhaps part of this for me is that I'm of an era both in age and musical  preference in which the idea of the album still remains the overarching driver of the music, a statement of the band's thoughts and emotions at the moment in time. The first track on the original album Blonde on Blonde really sets an odd tone, and I've always loved it for that. The version on Apple Music however is live and to my ear has a very different feel, almost as if by the time it was recorded, Dylan had come to hate the song, and I think it sets the album off in a very different direction. I wonder if people who find Dylan through digital might be taken on a very different journey to that he intended when he recorded the album? 

 

I don't have my CD to hand, but The Hi Res Streaming version of Rainy Day Women I hear on Apple Music is, as far as I can tell, the same performance as the 'Finished Track' on Bob Dylan's YouTube channel, beginning at 1m 35 here (you need YouTube Premium access to get at the official Blonde on Blonde album).

 

 

and also as posted on Bob's official facebook account on the anniversary of its release as a US single in April

 

https://www.facebook.com/bobdylan/videos/april-1966-release-of-the-rainy-day-women-12-35pledging-my-time-single-in-the-us/3684932811763292/

[Beedster]

3 minutes ago, cybertect said:

 

I don't have my CD to hand, but The Hi Res Streaming version of Rainy Day Women I hear on Apple Music is, as far as I can tell, the same performance as the 'Finished Track' on Bob Dylan's YouTube channel, beginning at 1m 35 here (you need YouTube Premium access to get at the official Blonde on Blonde album).

 

 

and also as posted on Bob's official facebook account on the anniversary of its release as a US single in April

 

https://www.facebook.com/bobdylan/videos/april-1966-release-of-the-rainy-day-women-12-35pledging-my-time-single-in-the-us/3684932811763292/

Do you have a link to the correct version of the album? I can get the original by searching for the tracks by name individually (not within the album) and then selecting the version I want, but when I select the album I get some live and some studio and some not there at all

[wateroftyne]

4 hours ago, Beedster said:

I guess it varies with band/genre. I found it bloody annoying when I started having to listen very hard to Danko's basslines in both Dylan and The Band tracks to find that the versions Apple Music was giving me where not the same as the other guys were getting from Spotify and certainly not the versions that I remembered from the albums themselves. I've solved the issue in that I'm going to work from the CDs, but to my mind it doesn't change the fact that if Apple are charging people to download an 'album', they should allow you to download the actual album, and not what appears to amount to a pretty random collection of live versions/remixes albeit of the same songs. Perhaps part of this for me is that I'm of an era both in age and musical  preference in which the idea of the album still remains the overarching driver of the music, a statement of the band's thoughts and emotions at the moment in time. The first track on the original album Blonde on Blonde really sets an odd tone, and I've always loved it for that. The version on Apple Music however is live and to my ear has a very different feel, almost as if by the time it was recorded, Dylan had come to hate the song, and I think it sets the album off in a very different direction. I wonder if people who find Dylan through digital might be taken on a very different journey to that he intended when he recorded the album? 

I've not had this happen to me on Apple Music. When I play the original mix of the Brown Album, it just skips Cripple Creek... it doesn't substitute it...?

[Beedster]

When I play first track - Great Divide - is live and also misses CC completely as with you, although why? Gonna delve a little deeper tonight 👍

[Beedster]

Live first track on this 

 

 

… but studio version on this

 

 

 

[Beedster]

Suspect the live version is from

Rock of Ages 👍

[wateroftyne]

I'm getting studio on both..!

[Beedster]

5 minutes ago, wateroftyne said:

I'm getting studio on both..!

I’m being punished by the gods of Americana 🤔