Chrishi_J Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 3 hours ago, Beedster said: Man I've been looking for one of those for ages....... That makes me feel bad for my silver one... sitting in it´s case for ages 😥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 3 minutes ago, Chrishi_J said: That makes me feel bad for my silver one... sitting in it´s case for ages 😥 Sell it to me, it'll make it feel better 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 3 hours ago, Chiliwailer said: I got very lucky, posted a wanted advert and @hiram.k.hackenbacker sold me his. Don’t want to rub it in Chris, but I’m having so much fun with it, the tone is outrageous and just makes me think of his live tone, and some tunes from Dream Canteen. The pickup is very well designed IMO. I only bought it as my other basses have flats but I like to jam to RHCP with rounds sometimes - so job done 👌 Do you know which PUP and circuit they are Dan? As I mentioned the other day, I'm planning to out-innovate Fender on this with a Jazz body routed for MM PUP and a Status Graphite Jazz neck; it'll sit somewhere between the Modulus Flea and the Fender Active Flea Jazz sig you have - give it 5-years and Fender will release it as the Beedster Signature model 👍 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 1 hour ago, neepheid said: Something just occurred to me - this is "innovation"... for Fender. Seen in their own bubble (the "Fenderverse"?) these changes could be seen as "innovative"? I'm trying to be nice here. As far as I can see, there are no 'new' features as such, just a collection of previous ideas put all together for the first time (not sure it would be the first time either). I guess it's hard to be innovative when you're such an icon in the industry, as every time they have gone 'off piste' they've not really sold that well. It's not their fault, it's stick in the mud players. Whilst not nearly as bad as guitar players in this respect, bassists are not a lot better. We didn't exactly go mad for the Millennium or Meteora. "How many guitarists/bassists does it take to change a light bulb? 50. 1 to change it and 49 others others to talk about how good the old one was." 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiliwailer Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 29 minutes ago, Beedster said: Do you know which PUP and circuit they are Dan? As I mentioned the other day, I'm planning to out-innovate Fender on this with a Jazz body routed for MM PUP and a Status Graphite Jazz neck; it'll sit somewhere between the Modulus Flea and the Fender Active Flea Jazz sig you have - give it 5-years and Fender will release it as the Beedster Signature model 👍 It has a Fender pup designed by Tim Shaw, and the Aguilar OBP-1 preamp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowla Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 3 hours ago, neepheid said: I'm having a pickle and cheese sandwich. Yes - I put the pickle down first then put cheese on top! Innovative? It's borderline debauchery! Interestingly, I did that yesterday too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Just now, prowla said: Interestingly, I did that yesterday too! It's a race to the patent office! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Sales of a superlight range of Precision and Jazz basses, with top quality build, components and materials, wold tap markets Fender are ignoring. The "oldies" have the cash, have played Fender in the past and would probably buy a Fender again, if it suited their requirements. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itu Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 ...but if F has bought timber for the next 200 years, a lightweight bass is coming in the near future. As an innovation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Meanwhile, Ernie Ball prove they have mastered innovation "with 6 new finish colours." https://www.facebook.com/share/gvMW8ACSygqzjzQJ/ I await the autumn colour collection from other manufacturers soon. Possibly in association with Kevin McCloud, Dulux or Crown. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 25 minutes ago, Wolverinebass said: Meanwhile, Ernie Ball prove they have mastered innovation "with 6 new finish colours." https://www.facebook.com/share/gvMW8ACSygqzjzQJ/ I await the autumn colour collection from other manufacturers soon. Possibly in association with Kevin McCloud, Dulux or Crown. Or Ford 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 2 hours ago, Wolverinebass said: Meanwhile, Ernie Ball prove they have mastered innovation "with 6 new finish colours." https://www.facebook.com/share/gvMW8ACSygqzjzQJ/ I await the autumn colour collection from other manufacturers soon. Possibly in association with Kevin McCloud, Dulux or Crown. Note how they don't claim innovation though! 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 10 minutes ago, Kev said: Note how they don't claim innovation though! 😅 I did indeed notice that Kev. Just as well really! We both know it's a slippery slope though. First you're announcing sparkly colours, the next you're trying to suggest a bass which looks like a crushed piece of rocky road cake and saying it's "technological wizardry greater than sending the first human being to Mars." Before you know what's happened, you've went full robo-tuners and you've went bankrupt. It's a tightrope. Or you could just crank out another slightly different precision. I wonder who will announce their new sunburst finish before the end of the week? Maybe all manufacturers have a calendar and they all do it in the same week? I'll get the popcorn ready as this is going to be high octane entertainment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 12 hours ago, neepheid said: Something just occurred to me - this is "innovation"... for Fender. Seen in their own bubble (the "Fenderverse"?) these changes could be seen as "innovative"? I'm trying to be nice here. Fair point, not unlike the Ric 5'er or EBMM shortie then? It's probably worth calibrating our expectations of Fender by comparison with what is (or has been) considered innovative in the case of other instruments? Double bass for example, um, graphite end-pin? Acoustic guitar, bowl backs? Drums, um..........? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 13 minutes ago, Wolverinebass said: I wonder who will announce their new sunburst finish before the end of the week? I said Antigua counted as an innovation (first turdburst guitars). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 2 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said: I said Antigua counted as an innovation (first turdburst guitars). I call it "snotburst" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDean Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 7 minutes ago, Beedster said: Drums, um..........? I've seen some that tune with a metal wire instead of tension rods. Seems pretty cool. You just twist a thing that looks like a machine head and it alters the tuning of the drum quickly and evenly. https://www.welchtuningsystems.com 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 41 minutes ago, neepheid said: I call it "snotburst" Pub toilet burst 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 19 minutes ago, Cosmo Valdemar said: Pub toilet burst pipe. Fixed, my dear boy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 16 hours ago, eude said: There could be a job for you at Fender HQ in the “secret plans and clever tricks” department... "I know - we'll put the neck at that end and the body at that end!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delberthot Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 And all the while there's a Fender exec laughing their ass off because there's a UK bass forum with 52000 members having an 8 page thread discussing their basses. Likely the same scenario over at Talkbs. I call reverse physchology! Fender are clevererer than this - the whole innovation thing is surely tongue in cheek as they know they are just making some tweaks to a 60+ year old design because that's what they make their money on. And all the while we're also talking about other models, not just the ones they are currently churning out. It's money in the bank I tells ya. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eude Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 33 minutes ago, Delberthot said: And all the while there's a Fender exec laughing their ass off because there's a UK bass forum with 52000 members having an 8 page thread discussing their basses. Likely the same scenario over at Talkbs. I call reverse physchology! Fender are clevererer than this - the whole innovation thing is surely tongue in cheek as they know they are just making some tweaks to a 60+ year old design because that's what they make their money on. And all the while we're also talking about other models, not just the ones they are currently churning out. It's money in the bank I tells ya. I guess if this is an exercise in seeing what they should've done, then yes, they might well be laughing their asses off I guess? I think there's a lot more people over on TalkBass who are happy to drink Fender's Kool-Aid, but I think is Brits aren't convinced 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 1 hour ago, Delberthot said: And all the while there's a Fender exec laughing their ass off because there's a UK bass forum with 52000 members having an 8 page thread discussing their basses. Likely the same scenario over at Talkbs. I call reverse physchology! Fender are clevererer than this - the whole innovation thing is surely tongue in cheek as they know they are just making some tweaks to a 60+ year old design because that's what they make their money on. And all the while we're also talking about other models, not just the ones they are currently churning out. It's money in the bank I tells ya. I think you're overestimating their ability to play psychological games in the marketplace (which would anyway amount to Russian Roulette), and underestimating the level of hard-wired groupthink in Fender. Much as the engineers at Apple used to be somewhere between tears and hysteria at the unveiling of a new model that was at best an incremental improvement on the previous model, the folks at Fender see this Innovation Series as innovation plain and simple. I imagine there's a sign placed directly over the entrance to the Fender Boardroom, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it....'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Fender aren't alone after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Here’s an exclusive look at the brief for these new Fenders: 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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