thisisswanbon Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 5 hours ago, LukeFRC said: The DemonFX Twin Fomage & Sizzling Pig sandwich? I saw this and immediately thought DemonFX had copied the Way Huge Pork & Pickle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisswanbon Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 They've started strong with their endorsing artists... seems legit 🤔 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted November 13 Share Posted November 13 I have their Pearl White (a Snow White autowah clone). It is really good. The copying of circuits that a lot of time, effort and therefore expense has gone into designing is dubious. But if the circuit designs aren't patented then it isn't protected. Copyright applies to the visual depiction of a circuit embodied in a schematic, but not the circuit itself. In other words it doesn't appear to be ilegal to copy a circuit functionality as long as you design the circuit board from scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins.plays.bass Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 James at Affordaboard’s posting me one out to demo, should be with me early next week. I’ll post my findings & some demos once I get a chance to record. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boodang Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 Interestingly, according to the blurb, the whole of the USA designed it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 (edited) As much as competition can be a good thing, I do feel a certain annoyance at companies riding on the coattails of others in this manner. Sure, if the products in question are no longer being produced or the patent has entered the public domain then fine, but putting out knockoffs of in-production products is just disingenuous. Rather like Behringer’s practice with stuff like their Swing (a blatant rip-off off the Arturia Keystep). Edited November 15 by Quatschmacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 On 13/11/2024 at 23:17, Stub Mandrel said: I have their Pearl White (a Snow White autowah clone). It is really good. The copying of circuits that a lot of time, effort and therefore expense has gone into designing is dubious. But if the circuit designs aren't patented then it isn't protected. Copyright applies to the visual depiction of a circuit embodied in a schematic, but not the circuit itself. In other words it doesn't appear to be ilegal to copy a circuit functionality as long as you design the circuit board from scratch. Yet DemonFX are out here copying artwork, enclosure shape/colours, fonts, names etc etc. No-one is annoyed at a clone effect necessarily, the primary issue comes when they’re counterfeiting the entire package. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumOne Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 1 hour ago, Sibob said: Yet DemonFX are out here copying artwork, enclosure shape/colours, fonts, names etc etc. No-one is annoyed at a clone effect necessarily, the primary issue comes when they’re counterfeiting the entire package. Si I suppose though, they are at least being honest about it being a copy and not the original, they give it a cheeky different name. They could just as easily directly copy everything, it'd actually be easier - like the Louis Vuitton bags on sale at Hounslow West market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 3 minutes ago, SumOne said: I suppose though, they are at least being honest about it being a copy and not the original, they give it a cheeky different name. They could just as easily directly copy everything, it'd actually be easier - like the Louis Vuitton bags on sale at Hounslow West market. Counterfeiters. Si 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumOne Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 1 minute ago, Sibob said: Counterfeiters. Si It says 'Demonfx' on it, that's a poor counterfeit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 There’s two things… analogue circuits - which you can’t copyright or patent so fair game for behringer/jhs/joyo/demonFX to copy. In diystompboxes / freestompboxes world some things from smaller makers sometimes get left alone, but then there’s a few pedals out there where the diy community mods then get sold back to people as a “boutique” pedal… design and trade dress - which is absolutely protectable under eu/uk/us law- where you take the design and copy it. This isn’t cool and where DemonFX probably overstep the line, but there’s a fine line - as Aldi packaging aping the premium brand is on the right side of the line… counterfit is where the pedal is trying to copy the real thing and be indistinguishable to it - DemonFX aren’t doing that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 9 hours ago, LukeFRC said: There’s two things… analogue circuits - which you can’t copyright or patent so fair game for behringer/jhs/joyo/demonFX to copy. In diystompboxes / freestompboxes world some things from smaller makers sometimes get left alone, but then there’s a few pedals out there where the diy community mods then get sold back to people as a “boutique” pedal… design and trade dress - which is absolutely protectable under eu/uk/us law- where you take the design and copy it. This isn’t cool and where DemonFX probably overstep the line, but there’s a fine line - as Aldi packaging aping the premium brand is on the right side of the line… counterfit is where the pedal is trying to copy the real thing and be indistinguishable to it - DemonFX aren’t doing that. Also to be clear I would be uncomfortable having a DemonFX and would want to sand off the Aldi like branding 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 We’ll agree to disagree, my opinion is that it’s their intent to deceive, on whatever level. The litmus test would be to produce those same pedals in a country that is WAY more consistent with enforcing it’s IP legal framework, and let us know how many days it takes to receive the cease and desist 🤷♂️. People will buy what they want, the free market wins out and there will always be loopholes ‘acceptable’ exceptions through precedent…but we exist in a relatively tiny (bass) industry…and I’m sure we’d all like to continue having nice things available to us. DemonFX are some peoples acceptable exception, not for me. Si Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 I believe the term is 'homage'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SumOne Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 20 minutes ago, Supernaut said: I believe the term is 'homage'. And 'inspired by' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisswanbon Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 The official tag line says it best... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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