ped Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Hi guys I’m doing an order and want to add a Speakon cable. This is for connecting an extension can to a combo. It states: Will this do the job? https://www.thomann.co.uk/cae_lautsprecherkabel.htm Cheers ped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyder Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 Looks ok. 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 2.5mm is probably overkill, 1.5mm should do, but there's no reason why you can't use 2.5mm. 2.5mm is required for runs of 3 meters or more or with very high power. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted October 24 Author Share Posted October 24 Cheers guys. I’m just being extra careful after a Speakon failed on me before a gig, or maybe it was the wrong type - I’m not overly familiar with the variations with two and four pin etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted October 24 Share Posted October 24 The main issue with SpeakOns is that a 4way plug cannot mate with a 2 pin socket. The cable should be OK as said by others as long as it is copper. There are some far eastern cables that use CCAW, Copper Covered Aluminium Wire. I am sure Thomann would not sell you a pup but it is expensive if you just buy this with the £10 shipping. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted October 24 Author Share Posted October 24 Just now, Chienmortbb said: The main issue with SpeakOns is that a 4way plug cannot mate with a 2 pin socket. The cable should be OK as said by others as long as it is copper. There are some far eastern cables that use CCAW, Copper Covered Aluminium Wire. I am sure Thomann would not sell you a pup but it is expensive if you just buy this with the £10 shipping. Thanks. I have some credit there and I’m getting some other bits and free shipping so thought I might as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 On 24/10/2024 at 19:36, ped said: Thanks. I have some credit there and I’m getting some other bits and free shipping so thought I might as well It won't be as good as one of mine of course 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted October 25 Author Share Posted October 25 9 minutes ago, Chienmortbb said: It won't be as good as one of mine of course 🤣 I didnt think of that. I will be in touch about some other things I might need! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 On 24/10/2024 at 19:14, ped said: Cheers guys. I’m just being extra careful after a Speakon failed on me before a gig, or maybe it was the wrong type - I’m not overly familiar with the variations with two and four pin etc. The four pin ones are used for things like bi-amping. Haven't come across a bass cab or amp with a four pin speakon socket yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treb Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 22 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said: The four pin ones are used for things like bi-amping. Haven't come across a bass cab or amp with a four pin speakon socket yet. Gallien-Krueger perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 35 minutes ago, Treb said: Gallien-Krueger perhaps? Indeed, the older RBii series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agedhorse Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 7 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said: The four pin ones are used for things like bi-amping. Haven't come across a bass cab or amp with a four pin speakon socket yet. Most have 4 pin SpeakOn jacks, wired with only 1+ and 1-. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 (edited) 12 hours ago, agedhorse said: Most have 4 pin SpeakOn jacks, wired with only 1+ and 1-. Is there a visible difference? My PA amp has 4-pole outputs but I can't see any obvious difference (maybe this just means my bass amps/cabs are 4-pole as you suggest). Edited October 26 by Stub Mandrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chienmortbb Posted October 26 Share Posted October 26 (edited) Most speakons are wired plus one minus one and +2-2 are unused. There are two main exceptions where the +2 & -2 are used, firstly for bi-amping and secondly how 100V line systems. They can also be used as an extra pair to share the load in a powerful PA. In 99 % of bass applications, only +1-1 are used, (Typed without glasses so E&OE) Edited October 30 by Chienmortbb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agedhorse Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 On 26/10/2024 at 09:43, Stub Mandrel said: Is there a visible difference? My PA amp has 4-pole outputs but I can't see any obvious difference (maybe this just means my bass amps/cabs are 4-pole as you suggest). Most likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 (edited) On 26/10/2024 at 20:25, Chienmortbb said: Most speakond are wired plus one minus one and +2-2 are unused. There are two main exceptions where the +2 & -2 are used, firstly for bi-amping and secondly how 100V line systems. They can also be used as an extra pair to share the load in a powerful PA. In 99 % of bass applications, only +1-1 are used, This. There are no immediately obvious visible differences between 2 and 4 pole Speakons. If you look into them end on, you may be able to spot the extra contacts, but the space is quite tight. 4 poles are often used for PA purposes. My 4 channel PA amp has 4 pole outs. +1 and -1 are for the top boxes, +2 and -2 for the subs (the amp has onboard DSP/crossover). Edited October 27 by Dan Dare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agedhorse Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 2 pole panel mount Neutrik jacks are now identified as "2 pole keyed" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 21 hours ago, Dan Dare said: My 4 channel PA amp has 4 pole outs. +1 and -1 are for the top boxes, +2 and -2 for the subs (the amp has onboard DSP/crossover). That is bi-amping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted October 28 Share Posted October 28 1 hour ago, Chienmortbb said: That is bi-amping. I know. I was agreeing with you. Still, have the last word if you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 13 hours ago, Dan Dare said: I know. I was agreeing with you. Still, have the last word if you want it. I am sorry if it came over that way. I just wanted to make things clear. Anyway I have found the Neutrik recommended wiring schemes for speakon if it helps anyone. 03 Section speakON PG EN 202202-V23.pdf Edited October 29 by Chienmortbb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 hour ago, Chienmortbb said: I am sorry if it came over that way. I just wanted to make things clear. Anyway I have found the Neutrik recommended wiring schemes for speakon if it helps anyone. 03 Section speakON PG EN 202202-V23.pdf I do wish my phone would let me open pdfs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Try these: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepbass5 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Try Hifi cables Richer sounds were good but Halfords also do 2.5 mm and various other types, they are twin cables so they don't have a thick outer sleeve and fit into the socket terminal easy. Also oxygen free if you are into that belief for Hi-fi quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agedhorse Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 8 hours ago, Chienmortbb said: Try these: That's really odd, I've never seen a single PA application wired with 1- wired to 2+ at the load end EVER. In any application where 2+/2- might be present at the source (like in a stereo application w/ left and right carried on pair a and 2), this creates a dangerous load to the amp. On PA applications, the industry that I know follows the Biamp wiring, with 1+/1- being the low pair or full range if not biamped. 2+/- is only wired when used for HF in biamped applications, otherwise is entirely not used. It looks like it was a hack to allow for a series connection, but I've never seen it used in any pro speaker cabinet. The reason is to avoid damaging conflicts when a biamped cabinet might be used just for low frequency applications, or where 4 wire cables are used for all applications. My sound company's inventory includes about a hundred 4 wire SpeakOn cables that get used for everything, so we don't have to worry about what's 2 wire and what's 4 wire. Every sound company I have ever worked with does the same thing. I'm talking about pro companies, not a guy, some speakers and a sketchy van. Here's JBL's application of the SpeakOn standard wiring: https://jblpro.com/zh/site_elements/srx700-users-guide Edited October 29 by agedhorse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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