Dealing with feedback with an uncompromising drummer

[TimR]

26 minutes ago, geoham said:

Only our guitarist has a floor monitor, everyone is one IEMs.

 

Feedback is coming from the lead vocalist’s mic, which is due to it being too close to the FOH speakers when we play in small venues.
 

Overall mix of the band is dominated by drums. Increasing the volume of the guitar, bass and keys to match the drums means the vocals can’t keep up without feedback.

 

OK. Well the only solution in that case is for him to play to the venue amd you to set the volumes of the other instruments to the venue and not the drums. Messing with microphones and mixing the instruments too high is only making it worse.

 

Ultimately the proper way to mix a band in a small venue is to set the lead vocals to an appropriate level (where there is no feedback amd you're not forcing the punters to stand at the back) and then mix everyone up to that level. 

[Downunderwonder]

It's a conspiracy between the drum player and guitar player.

Edited November 3 by Downunderwonder

[JapanAxe]

3 minutes ago, Downunderwonder said:

Let me get this straight.

 

There is feedback in the singer's mic from this monkey on drums having a monitor, the only monitor on stage, up too loud. 

 

Pour a beer in it.

Forget to bring it. 

Forget the drum mics.

 

No, only the guitarist has a wedge monitor - drummer has IEMs.

[la bam]

If the drummer has iems he doesn't need to play so loud

 

If the drummer can't see that what he's doing is overkill then he isn't a musician. 

 

Its the equivalent of you on bass turning your bass upto 11 and absolutely ragging the PA with bass..... because you can. You don't, because you know better. 

 

He's being awkward. And ruining the band sound. 

 

Put him in charge of sound, see how he likes it. Let him deal with the complaints if you get any. 

 

 

 

 

[Dad3353]

1 hour ago, TimR said:

...Ultimately the proper way to mix a band in a small venue is to set the lead vocals to an appropriate level (where there is no feedback amd you're not forcing the punters to stand at the back) and then mix everyone up to that level. 

 

This. End of. 

[Downunderwonder]

1 minute ago, JapanAxe said:

No, only the guitarist has a wedge monitor - drummer has IEMs.

Yeah. My head exploded before I got to the clarification.

 

How do we know if it is the guitar monitor or the PA doing the feeding back?

47 minutes ago, la bam said:

Put him in charge of sound, see how he likes it. Let him deal with the complaints if you get any. 

I like this idea.

 

But instead, how about a remote control on the drummer? Drummer too loud, volume pedal down his IEM. Drummer too quiet, turn up his IEM.

 

Or a chain around his neck going up to a pulley on a heavy stand. Too loud? Stand on the up lever dragging him up off the kit so he can just reach. What a muppet.

[Downunderwonder]

8 minutes ago, Dad3353 said:

 

This. End of. 

I did a bit of small venue sound for other bands once upon a time.

 

"Turn up the vocals!!!"

Me, pointing to desk of just single fader for vocalist engaged and redlined output.

"Feck they are loud aye!"

Me, nods.

[geoham]

On 01/11/2024 at 08:59, Kev said:

Why hide?

 

On 01/11/2024 at 09:02, TimR said:

In case it grows legs usually.

Exactly this!

Place it somewhere similar to where punters ears are likely to be, but out of sight of punters.