HX Stomp powering challenge

[Sibob]

Hi all,

 

Let’s get your thoughts on this. 
For reasons, I want to run a small board with a HX Stomp and a Boss Tuner. Both require power of course, with the Stomp requiring a fairly hefty 1amp. I would love to simply use the HX Stomp power supply rather than a Cioks or similar. 

Is there a way I could split off some of that power to run to the TU2? Added challenge, would like the pedal powers isolated from one another.

 

I do also have a Diago Powerstation hanging around (3amps), but same issue, how do I split to two power outlets while remaining isolated and giving the Stomp what it needs.

 

Cheers

Si

Edited November 2, 2024 by Sibob

[LukeFRC]

Do they need to be isolated? Typically when the tuner is on it will be muting the signal too…? 
 

otherwise a gig rig isolator or the mooer version?

 

an alternative would be to build a wee midi footswitch the size of thr space with 3 foot switches on for stomps tuner and two for whatever else you want … would still need isolated power…

Edited November 2, 2024 by LukeFRC

[Elfrasho]

28 minutes ago, LukeFRC said:

 

 

an alternative would be to build a wee midi footswitch the size of thr space with 3 foot switches on for stomps tuner and two for whatever else you want … would still need isolated power…

 

I agree. I'd just get a footswitch. No power required and would do everything your tuner would do. this is mine. It's a footswitch built by a mate, but any old footswitch would do the job.

 

Not sure if what you want to do is possible but the stomp has quite a specific connector which might make it more complicated/expensive if it is possible.

[MartinB]

Could you not just stick a battery in the tuner? It's not like it's going to be switched on for more than a few seconds at a time, so it'll last ages. Plus the noise problems that folks sometimes have with rechargeable 9-volters are unlikely to be an issue for a tuner.

[Sibob]

6 hours ago, LukeFRC said:

Do they need to be isolated? Typically when the tuner is on it will be muting the signal too…? 
 

otherwise a gig rig isolator or the mooer version?

 

an alternative would be to build a wee midi footswitch the size of thr space with 3 foot switches on for stomps tuner and two for whatever else you want … would still need isolated power…

Yeah, it’s a fair point about isolating the tuner. I just figured that as both pedals are digital, it would be preferable.

 

I already have a Pedalnetic foot switch extension for the Stomp, but would like to try and retain 5 switches for fx blocks rather than lose one on the tuner, hence a separate tuner.

 

The gigrig isolator would be great, but each output only gives 100mA.

 

Si

[Sibob]

4 hours ago, MartinB said:

Could you not just stick a battery in the tuner? It's not like it's going to be switched on for more than a few seconds at a time, so it'll last ages. Plus the noise problems that folks sometimes have with rechargeable 9-volters are unlikely to be an issue for a tuner.

Naaa, not down with batteries where I can help it, for a few different reasons.

 

Thanks though. 

 

Si

[LukeFRC]

1 hour ago, Sibob said:

Yeah, it’s a fair point about isolating the tuner. I just figured that as both pedals are digital, it would be preferable.

 

I already have a Pedalnetic foot switch extension for the Stomp, but would like to try and retain 5 switches for fx blocks rather than lose one on the tuner, hence a separate tuner.

 

The gigrig isolator would be great, but each output only gives 100mA.

 

Si

I was thinking a wee 3 footswitch midi controller - giving you 5 on/off per patch, patch up and down and tuner - midi expression socket too

[tauzero]

Why do the power supplies need to be isolated? You could easily split the Stomp power supply by getting 5.5/2.5mm male and female connectors and a 5.5/2.1mm male connector and connecting them up as a daisy chain but they wouldn't be isolated from each other.

[LukeFRC]

10 minutes ago, tauzero said:

Why do the power supplies need to be isolated? You could easily split the Stomp power supply by getting 5.5/2.5mm male and female connectors and a 5.5/2.1mm male connector and connecting them up as a daisy chain but they wouldn't be isolated from each other.

because some digital effects have dirty earths and/or effect each other to pull the switching noise above the audio band down into the audio band...   which can then get into your audio signal 

[tauzero]

1 hour ago, LukeFRC said:

because some digital effects have dirty earths and/or effect each other to pull the switching noise above the audio band down into the audio band...   which can then get into your audio signal 

 

But this is just a Stomp and a tuner. It would be worth at least trying the experiment.

[Woodinblack]

17 hours ago, Sibob said:

Is there a way I could split off some of that power to run to the TU2? Added challenge, would like the pedal powers isolated from one another.

 

Yes. And no. You can easily power the TU2 from the stomp power. No it can't be isolated as the Stomp power supply is just a single power supply. Is the stomp tuner than bad then?

[Jack]

The tuner is fine, just a waste of a switch. 

[tauzero]

1 hour ago, Jack said:

The tuner is fine, just a waste of a switch. 

 

My solution:

 

 

[Sibob]

4 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

My solution:

 

 

It needs to fit on a PT Nano with the Stomp and a DI.

 

Si

[Jack]

8 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

My solution:

 

 

Good solution. Mine was to use the tuner on my wireless. However, this won't help the op. I'm sure you could wire a cable with a socket on one end (to accept the hx psu) and then a split to the helix and the boss on the other. Polarity etc aside it's still just 9v dc. Maybe one of our cablers on here could help? Or kludge it with adapters? But then you'd need the hx psu, a step down from 2.5 to 2.1, a y cable, and then one side stepped back up to 2.5. At that point it's maybe a little messy? 

 

[tauzero]

1 hour ago, Jack said:

Good solution. Mine was to use the tuner on my wireless. However, this won't help the op. I'm sure you could wire a cable with a socket on one end (to accept the hx psu) and then a split to the helix and the boss on the other. Polarity etc aside it's still just 9v dc. Maybe one of our cablers on here could help? Or kludge it with adapters? But then you'd need the hx psu, a step down from 2.5 to 2.1, a y cable, and then one side stepped back up to 2.5. At that point it's maybe a little messy? 

 

 

I've already said how it could be done simply - 2.5 female which would have two leads coming from it, one 2.5 and one 2.1. @Sibob still hasn't said why it has to be isolated. At this point, I'm giving up.

[Sibob]

1 hour ago, tauzero said:

 

I've already said how it could be done simply - 2.5 female which would have two leads coming from it, one 2.5 and one 2.1. @Sibob still hasn't said why it has to be isolated. At this point, I'm giving up.

Sorry, I mentioned it above, because digital pedals often don’t play nice when they’re not isolated from one another. Not above giving it a go though. 

 

Thanks though. 
Si

[Jack]

1 hour ago, tauzero said:

 

I've already said how it could be done simply - 2.5 female which would have two leads coming from it, one 2.5 and one 2.1. @Sibob still hasn't said why it has to be isolated. At this point, I'm giving up.

Yeah but that's a custom cable as far as I know. Sorry I missed that you had already suggested that above when I suggested the same thing in my post.

Edited November 3, 2024 by Jack

[Higgie]

GigRig Distributor into Isolator. Power the Stomp off the Distributor, tuner off the Isolator, all from either the Diago or Line 6 psu.

Edited November 3, 2024 by Higgie

[Higgie]

You could also run the Stomp off a GigRig Distributor/Mr Universe combo and have the tuner powered directly from the Distributor, but it would be more cost effective to buy an Isolator to power the tuner and feed the Stomp directly from the Distributor.

[Skybone]

You would think, that with all the technology in the Helix / HX pedals, that Line6 would be able to provide an accurate tuner.

 

Always carry a TC Electronic UniTune Clip in my POD Go's bag.

[Sibob]

23 minutes ago, Skybone said:

You would think, that with all the technology in the Helix / HX pedals, that Line6 would be able to provide an accurate tuner.

 

Always carry a TC Electronic UniTune Clip in my POD Go's bag.

The tuner in the Stomp is excellent in my experience, I just don’t want to waste a switch on it in this setup. I have space for an external tuner, so why not. 

 

Si

[BigRedX]

14 hours ago, Skybone said:

You would think, that with all the technology in the Helix / HX pedals, that Line6 would be able to provide an accurate tuner.

 

Always carry a TC Electronic UniTune Clip in my POD Go's bag.

 

The tuner on my Helix produces identical results to that on the Peterson Stroborack I used to own.

[GR7G5TER]

On 02/11/2024 at 06:44, Sibob said:

Hi all,

 

Let’s get your thoughts on this. 
For reasons, I want to run a small board with a HX Stomp and a Boss Tuner. Both require power of course, with the Stomp requiring a fairly hefty 1amp. I would love to simply use the HX Stomp power supply rather than a Cioks or similar. 

Is there a way I could split off some of that power to run to the TU2? Added challenge, would like the pedal powers isolated from one another.

 

I do also have a Diago Powerstation hanging around (3amps), but same issue, how do I split to two power outlets while remaining isolated and giving the Stomp what it needs.

 

Cheers

Si

 

Jason has the solution you are looking for.

 

https://pedalnetics.com/product/2-5mm-power-split-cable/

[Higgie]

8 hours ago, GR7G5TER said:

 

Jason has the solution you are looking for.

 

https://pedalnetics.com/product/2-5mm-power-split-cable/

That cable won’t isolate the Stomp from the tuner, which is what Si wants to do.