Will Basschat survive the Online Safety Act?

[lurksalot]

I forgot to pay the merseyflow bridge last year , remembered  a week later so went on and paid .

2 weeks later I got the fine through , I refused it and went through the procedure.

 

They claimed that because I didn’t pay within 48 hrs they couldn’t relate the payment to the crossing ! I’d only crossed once in the year and paid before they issued the fine .

if their system can’t identify a non payer and send a fine out within 48hrs of the deadline but has to wait 20 days , then why the hell have I only got 48 hrs to pay for a crossing?

 

I had a receipt for a crossing 14 days before they tried to fine me for not paying it,  tossers 

 

[BassFace1991]

On 24/12/2024 at 10:23, SpondonBassed said:

Well my brothers and sisters in Basschat...

 

Whatever happens, I have made acquaintance with so many good people.  I have met up in real life with some interesting characters and we've had a good natter and a laugh.  I even regard some of you to be my friends because you have indulged my clumsy attempts at wit, listened to my woes and responded in ways that show me I am not alone after all that's happened in the last few years.

 

NOBODY can break that.

 

Happy Christmas, safe journey and a Happy New year to you all.

 

John

 

 

Yep! In the unlikely event this is the end. It's been a pleasure reading/chatting ladies and gentlemen.

[NancyJohnson]

15 hours ago, TimR said:

 

You saw the sign but didn't look up what it meant?

 

Timothy.  Tim.  Timmy. 

 

I'm a highly educated man in my 50s and am a longstanding member of MENSA.  Read my posts here, you have the facts.  In answer to your question, of course I'm fully cognisant what ULEZ means and even if I didn't the prospect of using my phone in a moving vehicle to find out why could also have incurred me a fine as well.  Whether I agree with ULEZ (or not); given the inner M25 ring is 0.00005% of the planet's surface area, the questionable benefits are negligible; what happens to those emissions when the wind blows?  It's just revenue generation, pure and simple.  There's no correlation between air quality and money.  It's just like the congestion charging that preceded it and continues to this day; have I seen any improved in congestion since that started?  Nope.  No one has.  When everyone is in EVs, they'll probably need to start charging based on vehicle weight, whether there's only one person in the car or by the colour of your car's interior.

 

Anyhow, I'm really not interested in opening any further dialogue with you about this; I've seen dozens and dozens of your posts where you demonstrate this rare talent for getting into discussions that just raise the recipient's heckles.  You have the facts, you should be able to join the dots and know where I stand on this.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by NancyJohnson

[TimR]

28 minutes ago, NancyJohnson said:

I'm a highly educated man in my 50s and am a longstanding member of MENSA.  Read my posts here, you have the facts.  In answer to your question, of course I'm fully cognisant what ULEZ means and even if I didn't the prospect of using my phone in a moving vehicle

 

Well, most of us less intelligent members remember to look it up when we get to our destination. 🤣🤦‍♂️

 

The rest of your post just reads as if you're frustrated in having to pay what the rest of us have to pay and are looking for excuses and don't like being called out.

 

 

 

Edited December 26, 2024 by TimR

[upside downer]

Right, so as long as Basschat doesn't wait in a box junction or get driven in the ULEZ we should be OK with this Online Safety Act, yeah?

[Woodinblack]

3 minutes ago, upside downer said:

Right, so as long as Basschat doesn't wait in a box junction or get driven in the ULEZ we should be OK with this Online Safety Act, yeah?

 

Get it right, as long as basschat doesn't enter a box junction that it can't exit due to stationary vehicles then yes, it will be fine!

[Woodinblack]

44 minutes ago, NancyJohnson said:

given the inner M25 ring is 0.00005% of the planet's surface area, the questionable benefits are negligible; what happens to those emissions when the wind blows?  It's just revenue generation, pure and simple.

 

Not that I also want to get into this, I am sure someone with your afore mentioned skills can work out the ULEZ has nothing to do with global emissions and everything to do with the environment of people living in the area covered.

[binky_bass]

Look, can we just agree to organise a royal rumble style fight where everyone on basschat piles into a ring and swings punches until one person emerges victorious? Most threads end up being a virtual version of this anyway! It'd be more fun to see it happen in the real world! Fight, fight, fight!!!!! 

[Stub Mandrel]

7 hours ago, prowla said:

18 hours ago, TimR said:

 

Yes. You don't get fined for stopping in a box junction, you get fined for entering a box junction if your exit isn't clear. 

 

(if your exit isn't clear due to stationary vehicles

 

Unless you are turning right. Simples, eh?

[Woodinblack]

3 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

Unless you are turning right. Simples, eh?

 

Or its a tuesday

[Stub Mandrel]

2 hours ago, NancyJohnson said:

 

Timothy.  Tim.  Timmy. 

 

I'm a highly educated man in my 50s and am a longstanding member of MENSA.  Read my posts here, you have the facts.  In answer to your question, of course I'm fully cognisant what ULEZ means and even if I didn't the prospect of using my phone in a moving vehicle to find out why could also have incurred me a fine as well.  Whether I agree with ULEZ (or not); given the inner M25 ring is 0.00005% of the planet's surface area, the questionable benefits are negligible; what happens to those emissions when the wind blows?  It's just revenue generation, pure and simple.  There's no correlation between air quality and money.  It's just like the congestion charging that preceded it and continues to this day; have I seen any improved in congestion since that started?  Nope.  No one has.  When everyone is in EVs, they'll probably need to start charging based on vehicle weight, whether there's only one person in the car or by the colour of your car's interior.

 

Anyhow, I'm really not interested in opening any further dialogue with you about this; I've seen dozens and dozens of your posts where you demonstrate this rare talent for getting into discussions that just raise the recipient's heckles.  You have the facts, you should be able to join the dots and know where I stand on this.

 

 

 

 

 

Therexs an increasing body of research to show they do work. Example:

 

https://www.bath.ac.uk/announcements/low-emission-zones-improve-air-quality-health-and-peoples-well-being-new-ipr-policy-brief/

 

 

Incidentally, back in the bad old days of leaded petrol you could map the inverse correlation between schoolchildren's IQ and distance from the motorways through Birmingham.

 

The wind may blow at times, it's the days with a temperature inversion over the city that cause most harm.

 

The ULEZ is just a logical extension of decades of pollution reduction in cities and towns.

 

Of course, this has no relation to imperfect implementation of sensible legislation, but 'I was caught by a misunderstanding' doesn't invalidate the concept.

[prowla]

1 minute ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

Unless you are turning right. Simples, eh?

 

As mentioned, there are some supplementary extenuating circumstances, including that one. 
In my case, TfL have ignored the “stationary vehicles” stipulation and gone straight to asserting that none of the extras apply. 
BTW, I introduced that as an example of giving power to ignorant or belligerent people who don’t understand or care what their remit is. 

[mep]

I unfollowed this discussion after the numerous off topic posts about VPN's.  I thought I'd drop back in see if it had reverted back to being on topic, but in a crazy example of people getting really caught up in off topic discussions I'm now learning all about ULEZ and fines. I wonder what I'll read about in a days time?

[ped]

I wonder if any of this will be useful in my parole hearing

[Woodinblack]

3 minutes ago, ped said:

I wonder if any of this will be useful in my parole hearing

 

if you can get them into a conversation about the proper use of a box junction you can just sneak out while they are arguing.

[Lozz196]

1 hour ago, mep said:

I unfollowed this discussion after the numerous off topic posts about VPN's.  I thought I'd drop back in see if it had reverted back to being on topic, but in a crazy example of people getting really caught up in off topic discussions I'm now learning all about ULEZ and fines. I wonder what I'll read about in a days time?

Airspeed velocity of unladen swallows, perhaps?

[binky_bass]

18 minutes ago, ped said:

I wonder if any of this will be useful in my parole hearing

Which one?

[prowla]

1 hour ago, mep said:

I unfollowed this discussion after the numerous off topic posts about VPN's.  I thought I'd drop back in see if it had reverted back to being on topic, but in a crazy example of people getting really caught up in off topic discussions I'm now learning all about ULEZ and fines. I wonder what I'll read about in a days time?

Maybe a discussion regarding the crazy examples of discussions on internet forums would be an enlightening sub-topic?

[binky_bass]

2 hours ago, mep said:

I unfollowed this discussion after the numerous off topic posts about VPN's.  I thought I'd drop back in see if it had reverted back to being on topic, but in a crazy example of people getting really caught up in off topic discussions I'm now learning all about ULEZ and fines. I wonder what I'll read about in a days time?

I've been into the future, it's mostly TimR explaining why the flavour profile of Sheba is superior to that of Whiskers. Of course, I fundamentally disagree.

Edited December 26, 2024 by binky_bass

[NancyJohnson]

1 hour ago, ped said:

I wonder if any of this will be useful in my parole hearing

 

Get Timmy to represent you.

[tauzero]

6 hours ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

Unless you are turning right. Simples, eh?

 

I find this somewhat confusing. You may enter a box junction as long as either the exit is clear, or you are turning right and cannot do so due to oncoming traffic or because you're behind other traffic waiting to turn. If you enter the box junction and cannot exit due to stationary vehicles in the exit, you're guilty and bang to rights.

[Stub Mandrel]

11 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

I find this somewhat confusing. You may enter a box junction as long as either the exit is clear, or you are turning right and cannot do so due to oncoming traffic or because you're behind other traffic waiting to turn. If you enter the box junction and cannot exit due to stationary vehicles in the exit, you're guilty and bang to rights.

 

Yes that's correct.

 

They have  a particularly sneaky way around here ... box junctions on roundabouts under a flyover so you can't be sure some exits are clear in time to stop before you enter unless you approach at a speed that gets you hassled by following vehicles.

[TimR]

1 hour ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

Yes that's correct.

 

They have  a particularly sneaky way around here ... box junctions on roundabouts under a flyover so you can't be sure some exits are clear in time to stop before you enter unless you approach at a speed that gets you hassled by following vehicles.

 

I'm not sure it's supposed to be 'sneaky', it's just down to incompetent design. I don't credit any local councils being that clever.

 

We have a three lane carriageway near here where they redesigned the inside lane to be a bus lane, everything turning left couldn't, and no one exiting the supermarket could get out. They've since shut down the bus lane due to the chaos it was causing. So now a three lane road is down to two. A complete mess with no explaination of why it was changed in the first place, no applology and no plans to change it back.

 

I was caught on a box junction when a bus pulled out of a bus stop in front of me. My exit was clear when I entered, but the bus took that space. It was 15 years ago, I would appeal if it happened now. There was nothing 'sneaky' about it.

 

Anyway, I'm not sure how road fines have anything to do with online abuse or hiding your online identity so that you can abuse people anonymously. 

[Baloney Balderdash]

Ban the internet!

 

It was a mistake!

 

Now everyone can clearly see how awful people are, and how f***ed up the world is.

 

Not good for democracy (read politicians).

 

It was all much better back when no one knew what was really going on!

 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Baloney Balderdash

[TimR]

1 hour ago, Baloney Balderdash said:

Now everyone can clearly see how awful people are, and how f***ed up the world is.

 

 

I think the 'problem' is people can build communities full of like minded people who agree and reinforce their views.

 

You no longer have to mix socially or (if you work from home) at work, with people who have opposing views. 

 

This means now, more than ever, people are not happy when their view of the world is challenged.

 

The problem with the Internet is twofold. People can be anonymous and people can say things they wouldn't normally say without seeing the offense they're causes and/or risking real repercussions.