feech Posted Thursday at 11:34 Share Posted Thursday at 11:34 Hey all ! Got a few questions about this performance, first of all it's absolutely nuts if you haven't checked it out. There a link below. The bassist I'm not sure of his name but his tone is willdddd something about that midrange cuts through incredibly. Can someone educate me is that a certain "sound" of a particular bass and or amp brand combination or is it just slamming the hell out of a particular mid Freq and if so how do I get it ? Also if anyone knows the bass he's playing I'd love to know Tried to get a few shots of the bass too but it's super hard to see as the headstock isn't visible! Happy holidays to all ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted Thursday at 11:44 Share Posted Thursday at 11:44 (edited) He is Matthew Ramsey - it says so in the video information! Google says he's a GK endorser. On the GK site the white J type bass he is playing is a Sire. https://www.gallien-krueger.com/matt-ramsey Also the main guy looks really constipated at about 25 seconds in. Edited Thursday at 11:46 by fretmeister 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted Thursday at 11:51 Share Posted Thursday at 11:51 More google shows him also using MTD basses (possibly borrowed from Andrew Gouche, his mentor) and a Bossa UJB5 (Japanese brand I had never heard of). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns-bass Posted Thursday at 12:03 Share Posted Thursday at 12:03 The bass at the start of the clip sounds like an angry dinosaur. Not my sort of music but the guy is obviously quite an incredible player. Sounds a lot like the sort of gospel chops videos I've seen before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted Thursday at 12:05 Share Posted Thursday at 12:05 Now that I've listened to it... It's quite a generic theatre pit / west end musical type tone. The Ian King Theatre Rig Rundown video has a very similar tone. Andrew Gouche has a very similar tone. So that's 3 players getting a similar tone with 3 different amps - GK, Mark Bass, EBS. It's a tone that compliments busy arrangements with lots of other instruments and singers as it sort of pokes through without getting in the way. J or modern J type bass. Probably blended towards the bridge pickup just a little. Not much treble, and actually not much super low. Sounds like a bit of a bump at 100hz or so to make it sound full without annoying boom and flub. He's got several social media accounts - you could send him a message and ask. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns-bass Posted Thursday at 12:05 Share Posted Thursday at 12:05 Listened more. He's quite incredible isn't he. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted Thursday at 12:06 Share Posted Thursday at 12:06 From that vid he seems to be a bit of a clone of his mentor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted Thursday at 12:26 Share Posted Thursday at 12:26 I reckon that's great bass playing. Busy but not getting in the way of the song. Inventive lines, typically modern gospel style. I can't think of anything negative to say about this guys bass playing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudewheresmybass Posted Thursday at 17:32 Share Posted Thursday at 17:32 It must be just me but I find the keyboard sound really grating Loving both the playing and tone of the bass though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huge Hands Posted Thursday at 17:46 Share Posted Thursday at 17:46 11 minutes ago, dudewheresmybass said: It must be just me but I find the keyboard sound really grating Loving both the playing and tone of the bass though Keyboards played by Kirk's MD and grammy award winner Shaun Martin, who sadly passed earlier this year after suffering a stroke in his 40s. Such a talent....RIP. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudewheresmybass Posted Thursday at 17:47 Share Posted Thursday at 17:47 I wasn't actually referring to that keyboard, but Kirk's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted Thursday at 19:39 Share Posted Thursday at 19:39 7 hours ago, Burns-bass said: Listened more. He's quite incredible isn't he. When I listen to stuff like this (and I do, lots) I find it deeply humbling. I find myself constantly thinking "where are you even pulling these lines from?". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted Thursday at 20:25 Share Posted Thursday at 20:25 What a rhythm section. Can you imagine being stuck in a lift with the singer, though? I'd have to claw through metal with my bare hands. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted Thursday at 20:36 Share Posted Thursday at 20:36 Music is a whole not parts. There’s lots of talent in that room and lots of good parts, but the music doesn’t work for me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickA Posted Thursday at 21:47 Share Posted Thursday at 21:47 Plays over the bridge pickup and uses an awful lot of pull offs and push ons ... at first I through he wasn't actually playing as his right hand barely moves; the left hand hidden behind the keyboard player is doing most of the work! various vids of him on the GK website: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feech Posted Friday at 09:44 Author Share Posted Friday at 09:44 21 hours ago, fretmeister said: Now that I've listened to it... It's quite a generic theatre pit / west end musical type tone. The Ian King Theatre Rig Rundown video has a very similar tone. Andrew Gouche has a very similar tone. So that's 3 players getting a similar tone with 3 different amps - GK, Mark Bass, EBS. It's a tone that compliments busy arrangements with lots of other instruments and singers as it sort of pokes through without getting in the way. J or modern J type bass. Probably blended towards the bridge pickup just a little. Not much treble, and actually not much super low. Sounds like a bit of a bump at 100hz or so to make it sound full without annoying boom and flub. He's got several social media accounts - you could send him a message and ask. Yeah good shout man I might do that, yeah there was almost like this weird (possibly boxy) quality to it that's sounds nuts in the mix but solo'd I don't really like at all. I feel like it's got to be somewhere in the 400-800 but I've got no clue really. This was the best example of this I've seen and I'm on a bit of a mission recently to refine my live tone. Standing near the amp it's impossible to know what sounds good out there. If I was standing next to this amp I would not like it at all but as I said in the mix it's perfect. Trying to steal some of this knowledge on this magic midrange quality which seem to be a bit of a dark art ! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feech Posted Friday at 09:49 Author Share Posted Friday at 09:49 14 hours ago, Owen said: When I listen to stuff like this (and I do, lots) I find it deeply humbling. I find myself constantly thinking "where are you even pulling these lines from?". Yeah honestly mate, the way they are so chilled while absolutely burning. I dream of that level of mastery and mind state ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted Friday at 09:58 Share Posted Friday at 09:58 3 minutes ago, feech said: …… the way they are so chilled while absolutely burning.…. That’s just the current performance aesthetic, and I’m a bit over it to be honest. I like watching - and performing with -musicians on the edge, emoting over every nuance. Half that lot look like they’re wondering what’s for supper 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted Friday at 10:08 Share Posted Friday at 10:08 23 minutes ago, feech said: Yeah good shout man I might do that, yeah there was almost like this weird (possibly boxy) quality to it that's sounds nuts in the mix but solo'd I don't really like at all. I feel like it's got to be somewhere in the 400-800 but I've got no clue really. This was the best example of this I've seen and I'm on a bit of a mission recently to refine my live tone. Standing near the amp it's impossible to know what sounds good out there. If I was standing next to this amp I would not like it at all but as I said in the mix it's perfect. Trying to steal some of this knowledge on this magic midrange quality which seem to be a bit of a dark art ! 😂 There's a lot to be said for a good EQ pedal with simple sliders for better visual clues. The Boss EQ-200 for example. Very easy to experiment when you can also see the EQ curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted Friday at 10:10 Share Posted Friday at 10:10 10 minutes ago, Beedster said: That’s just the current performance aesthetic, and I’m a bit over it to be honest. I like watching - and performing with -musicians on the edge, emoting over every nuance. Half that lot look like they’re wondering what’s for supper 😁 I remember a similar review of a Steve Vai gig - the reviewer said that the main problem was a lack of tension. Everyone in the room knows that Vai has the ability to play everything and make it look easy. The review wanted raw panic, like the player and the audience had no idea if it was going to work out well! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted Friday at 10:14 Share Posted Friday at 10:14 Just now, fretmeister said: I remember a similar review of a Steve Vai gig - the reviewer said that the main problem was a lack of tension. Everyone in the room knows that Vai has the ability to play everything and make it look easy. The review wanted raw panic, like the player and the audience had no idea if it was going to work out well! Exactly, I prefer the look on Keith Moon’s face that indicated he had 0.1ms to decide which drum to hit next and was still struggling to (the Ox on the other hand, despite his brilliance, would have fitted the current aesthetic perfectly, although I suspect that rather than wondering what’s for supper during gigs he was contemplating new bass gear) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted Friday at 10:20 Share Posted Friday at 10:20 I reckon the Ox was thinking about the laydeeez he had lined up for his hotel after the show. Wanted to save his energy... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted Friday at 10:25 Share Posted Friday at 10:25 3 minutes ago, fretmeister said: I reckon the Ox was thinking about the laydeeez he had lined up for his hotel after the show. Wanted to save his energy... Fair point, although Fenderbirds and Buzzards didn’t design themselves 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted Friday at 10:28 Share Posted Friday at 10:28 22 hours ago, feech said: Hey all ! Got a few questions about this performance, first of all it's absolutely nuts if you haven't checked it out. There a link below. The bassist I'm not sure of his name but his tone is willdddd something about that midrange cuts through incredibly. Can someone educate me is that a certain "sound" of a particular bass and or amp brand combination or is it just slamming the hell out of a particular mid Freq and if so how do I get it ? Also if anyone knows the bass he's playing I'd love to know Tried to get a few shots of the bass too but it's super hard to see as the headstock isn't visible! Happy holidays to all ! But back to the tone, over and above the skill of the player, isn’t the key determinant of the tone in the film the mix and production as opposed to the bass or live EQ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted Friday at 11:55 Share Posted Friday at 11:55 (edited) If you think there should be edginess you're in the wrong genre. The arrangement is where the tension is. It's complex, cleverly thought out, musically interesting and very well executed. They effortlessly hit every accent and push without a single ripple in the groove. This is fantastic musicianship. Edited Friday at 12:07 by chris_b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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