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Hey all !

 

Got a few questions about this performance, first of all it's absolutely nuts if you haven't checked it out. There a link below. 

 

The bassist I'm not sure of his name but his tone is willdddd something about that midrange cuts through incredibly. Can someone educate me is that a certain "sound" of a particular bass and or amp brand combination or is it just slamming the hell out of a particular mid Freq and if so how do I get it ? 

 

Also if anyone knows the bass he's playing I'd love to know 

 

Tried to get a few shots of the bass too but it's super hard to see as the headstock isn't visible! 

 

Happy holidays to all ! 

 

 

 

 

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The bass at the start of the clip sounds like an angry dinosaur.

 

Not my sort of music but the guy is obviously quite an incredible player. Sounds a lot like the sort of gospel chops videos I've seen before.

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Now that I've listened to it...

 

It's quite a generic theatre pit / west end musical type tone. The Ian King Theatre Rig Rundown video has a very similar tone. Andrew Gouche has a very similar tone. So that's 3 players getting a similar tone with 3 different amps - GK, Mark Bass, EBS. It's a tone that compliments busy arrangements with lots of other instruments and singers as it sort of pokes through without getting in the way.

 

J or modern J type bass. Probably blended towards the bridge pickup just a little. Not much treble, and actually not much super low.

 

Sounds like a bit of a bump at 100hz or so to make it sound full without annoying boom and flub.

 

He's got several social media accounts - you could send him a message and ask.

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I reckon that's great bass playing. Busy but not getting in the way of the song. Inventive lines, typically modern gospel style.

 

I can't think of anything negative to say about this guys bass playing.

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  On 19/12/2024 at 17:32, dudewheresmybass said:

It must be just me but I find the keyboard sound really grating

Loving both the playing and tone of the bass though

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Keyboards played by Kirk's MD and grammy award winner Shaun Martin, who sadly passed earlier this year after suffering a stroke in his 40s.   Such a talent....RIP.

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  On 19/12/2024 at 12:05, Burns-bass said:

Listened more. He's quite incredible isn't he.

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When I listen to stuff like this (and I do, lots) I find it deeply humbling. I find myself constantly thinking "where are you even pulling these lines from?".

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Plays over the bridge pickup and uses an awful lot of pull offs and push ons ... at first I through he wasn't actually playing as his right hand barely moves; the left hand hidden behind the keyboard player is doing most of the work!

 

various vids of him on the GK website:

 

 

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  On 19/12/2024 at 12:05, fretmeister said:

Now that I've listened to it...

 

It's quite a generic theatre pit / west end musical type tone. The Ian King Theatre Rig Rundown video has a very similar tone. Andrew Gouche has a very similar tone. So that's 3 players getting a similar tone with 3 different amps - GK, Mark Bass, EBS. It's a tone that compliments busy arrangements with lots of other instruments and singers as it sort of pokes through without getting in the way.

 

J or modern J type bass. Probably blended towards the bridge pickup just a little. Not much treble, and actually not much super low.

 

Sounds like a bit of a bump at 100hz or so to make it sound full without annoying boom and flub.

 

He's got several social media accounts - you could send him a message and ask.

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Yeah good shout man I might do that, yeah there was almost like this weird (possibly boxy) quality to it that's sounds nuts in the mix but solo'd I don't really like at all. I feel like it's got to be somewhere in the 400-800 but I've got no clue really. 

 

This was the best example of this I've seen and I'm on a bit of a mission recently to refine my live tone. Standing near the amp it's impossible to know what sounds good out there.

 

If I was standing next to this amp I would not like it at all but as I said in the mix it's perfect. Trying to steal some of this knowledge on this magic midrange quality which seem to be a bit of a dark art ! 😂

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  On 19/12/2024 at 19:39, Owen said:

When I listen to stuff like this (and I do, lots) I find it deeply humbling. I find myself constantly thinking "where are you even pulling these lines from?".

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Yeah honestly mate, the way they are so chilled while absolutely burning.

 

I dream of that level of mastery and mind state ! 

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  On 20/12/2024 at 09:49, feech said:

…… the way they are so chilled while absolutely burning.….

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That’s just the current performance aesthetic, and I’m a bit over it to be honest. I like watching - and performing with -musicians on the edge, emoting over every nuance. Half that lot look like they’re wondering what’s for supper 😁

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  On 20/12/2024 at 09:44, feech said:

 

Yeah good shout man I might do that, yeah there was almost like this weird (possibly boxy) quality to it that's sounds nuts in the mix but solo'd I don't really like at all. I feel like it's got to be somewhere in the 400-800 but I've got no clue really. 

 

This was the best example of this I've seen and I'm on a bit of a mission recently to refine my live tone. Standing near the amp it's impossible to know what sounds good out there.

 

If I was standing next to this amp I would not like it at all but as I said in the mix it's perfect. Trying to steal some of this knowledge on this magic midrange quality which seem to be a bit of a dark art ! 😂

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There's a lot to be said for a good EQ pedal with simple sliders for better visual clues. The Boss EQ-200 for example. Very easy to experiment when you can also see the EQ curve.

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  On 20/12/2024 at 09:58, Beedster said:


That’s just the current performance aesthetic, and I’m a bit over it to be honest. I like watching - and performing with -musicians on the edge, emoting over every nuance. Half that lot look like they’re wondering what’s for supper 😁

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I remember a similar review of a Steve Vai gig - the reviewer said that the main problem was a lack of tension. Everyone in the room knows that Vai has the ability to play everything and make it look easy. The review wanted raw panic, like the player and the audience had no idea if it was going to work out well! :D 

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  On 20/12/2024 at 10:10, fretmeister said:

 

I remember a similar review of a Steve Vai gig - the reviewer said that the main problem was a lack of tension. Everyone in the room knows that Vai has the ability to play everything and make it look easy. The review wanted raw panic, like the player and the audience had no idea if it was going to work out well! :D 

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Exactly, I prefer the look on Keith Moon’s face that indicated he had 0.1ms to decide which drum to hit next and was still struggling to (the Ox on the other hand,  despite his brilliance, would have fitted the current aesthetic perfectly, although I suspect that rather than wondering what’s for supper during gigs he was contemplating new bass gear)

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  On 19/12/2024 at 11:34, feech said:

Hey all !

 

Got a few questions about this performance, first of all it's absolutely nuts if you haven't checked it out. There a link below. 

 

The bassist I'm not sure of his name but his tone is willdddd something about that midrange cuts through incredibly. Can someone educate me is that a certain "sound" of a particular bass and or amp brand combination or is it just slamming the hell out of a particular mid Freq and if so how do I get it ? 

 

Also if anyone knows the bass he's playing I'd love to know 

 

Tried to get a few shots of the bass too but it's super hard to see as the headstock isn't visible! 

 

Happy holidays to all ! 

 

 

 

 

 

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But back to the tone, over and above the skill of the player, isn’t the key determinant of the tone in the film the mix and production as opposed to the bass or live EQ?

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If you think there should be edginess you're in the wrong genre.

 

The arrangement is where the tension is. It's complex, cleverly thought out, musically interesting and very well executed. They effortlessly hit every accent and push without a single ripple in the groove.

 

This is fantastic musicianship.

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