Question to fretless players/owners

[Bilbo]

Could be - I don't know either I am just aware that moving stuff around causes sounds to change. So, if you move lots of things around, perspectives changes. Also, if the waves are reflected on different services, some frequencies are absorbed and others not etc. All of this changes the overtone percetnages in a note and so on. Whilst this will not, of itself, impact upon intonation, I can see that it will impact upon the listener's perception of that intonation.

Same as a recording - whenever I record myself, my intonation on the playback is out. It sounded perfectly good when I was playing the tune but, when I listen to it played back, there is something about the recording process that makes it sound out of tune...


What?

[BottomEndian]

[quote name='bilbo230763' post='504747' date='Jun 3 2009, 03:23 PM']Same as a recording - whenever I record myself, my intonation on the playback is out. It sounded perfectly good when I was playing the tune but, when I listen to it played back, there is something about the recording process that makes it sound out of tune...


What? [/quote]
Indeed.

That's plain weird.

Ooooh, unless you were tracking with headphones on, in which case your ears could be subjected to quite high SPLs in a pair of closed-back cans. Then my guess about tuning perception at high SPLs comes into play. When you listen to playback at a sensible level, you suddenly hear it differently. Hmmmmm. Intriguing...

Anybody got any answers?

[Bilbo]

That must be it

[BottomEndian]

Thing is, everyone will have been sitting in the control room thinking, "I wish he'd tune that f**king thing!"

[JanSpeeltBas]

Adding to the"ear" part of this thread: a scientific quote from the Internet (full story at [url="http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/music/tech_background/TE-03/teces_03.html):"]http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/music/tech_backgr...teces_03.html):[/url]
[i]"The amplitude of sound does not have a strong effect on the perception of pitch. Such effects seem to hold only for sine tones. At low loudness levels pitch recognition of pure tones becomes difficult, and at high levels increasing loudness seems to shift low and middle register pitches down and high register pitches up."[/i]
And now let's get back to playing fretless...I remember a masterclass by Abraham Laboriel (Koinonia, Donald Fagen etc.) who revealed that he always worried about his fretless intonation in the studio and tended to keep looking at his electronic tuner, just to say even these guys aren't completely comfortable with their intonation.

[xilddx]

[quote name='JanSpeeltBas' post='505098' date='Jun 3 2009, 09:58 PM']Adding to the"ear" part of this thread: a scientific quote from the Internet (full story at [url="http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/music/tech_background/TE-03/teces_03.html):"]http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/music/tech_backgr...teces_03.html):[/url]
[i]"The amplitude of sound does not have a strong effect on the perception of pitch. Such effects seem to hold only for sine tones. At low loudness levels pitch recognition of pure tones becomes difficult, and at high levels increasing loudness seems to shift low and middle register pitches down and high register pitches up."[/i]
And now let's get back to playing fretless...I remember a masterclass by Abraham Laboriel (Koinonia, Donald Fagen etc.) who revealed that he always worried about his fretless intonation in the studio and tended to keep looking at his electronic tuner, just to say even these guys aren't completely comfortable with their intonation.[/quote]
Nice one! Great post!