How far is AI reaching?

[JoeEvans]

42 minutes ago, lurksalot said:

A friend explained that he used chatgp to verify that he was submitting both his wife and son’s tax return correctly.

he had previously paid an accountant but the AI gave him the confidence to do it himself.

 

On the other hand, I regularly find myself looking rather obscure information about setting up integrated database systems, and the AI answers I get are about 50% completely wrong and 40% so irrelevant as to be neither right or wrong.

[wateroftyne]

10 minutes ago, JoeEvans said:

On the other hand, I regularly find myself looking rather obscure information about setting up integrated database systems, and the AI answers I get are about 50% completely wrong and 40% so irrelevant as to be neither right or wrong.

Problem is, people don’t seem to care.

[Geek99]

@tauzero I’m definitely better than that.

[TimR]

22 minutes ago, wateroftyne said:

Problem is, people don’t seem to care.

 

Maybe our civilisation will collapse due to AI. Not because AI deliberately destroys us, more because people use it to build things that don't work anymore. 🤣

[Stub Mandrel]

8 hours ago, TimR said:

 

It can only work on what it has been told or what information is already available.

 

It doesn't learn by exloring the enviroment, doing and failing which is 90% of how humans learn. It's very limited. 

 

Until humans understand how intelligence works, they can't program intelligence in. We have only just mapped the brain of a fruit fly, we know the connections, but we still dont understand how they work. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0lw0nxw71po

 

 

I think we assess AI incorrectly. Even with an Internet-connected pc most people would fare very badly if given the same tasks.

 

Don't forget that we don't actually understand what really happens jnside an AI either.

[TimR]

15 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said:

 

I think we assess AI incorrectly. Even with an Internet-connected pc most people would fare very badly if given the same tasks.

 

Don't forget that we don't actually understand what really happens jnside an AI either.

 

But if I see a round thing, I can isolate it from it's surroundings very quickly, I can move around, touch it, pick it up if it's small enough, feel how heavy it is. See what happens if I drop or throw it, bounce it, taste it. I can then very quickly catagorise it. AI can look at it and compare it to images it has seen. The images are just 2D photos or videos. 

[Woodinblack]

14 minutes ago, TimR said:

But if I see a round thing, I can isolate it from it's surroundings very quickly, I can move around, touch it, pick it up if it's small enough, feel how heavy it is. See what happens if I drop or throw it, bounce it, taste it. I can then very quickly catagorise it. AI can look at it and compare it to images it has seen. The images are just 2D photos or videos. 

 Only when you are talking about an image categorising ai. When you see a round thing you isolate it by image comparisons (which the brain can get very wrong), then you start trying to categorise it by performing a set of learned behaviours that an ai could do too, if those were the behaviours it has learned, like you did. There is nothing in that tasks a series of ais couldn't do

 

 

[chris_b]

Everyone is talking like AI is a pile of crap. These are baby steps. You're going to eat your words in 20 years.

[wateroftyne]

 

21 minutes ago, chris_b said:

Everyone is talking like AI is a pile of crap. These are baby steps. You're going to eat your words in 20 years.

Probably just as well, as there's a chance we won't be able to afford food.

[tauzero]

20 minutes ago, wateroftyne said:

 

Probably just as well, as there's a chance we won't be able to afford food.

 

How nutritious are words?

 

ChatGPT: 

Words themselves aren't physically nutritious, as they don't provide calories, vitamins, or minerals like food does. However, they can be considered "nutritious" in a metaphorical or psychological sense. Words can nourish the mind, emotions, and relationships. For example:

Mental stimulation: Reading or listening to well-chosen words—whether through books, conversations, or lectures—can stimulate thinking, improve vocabulary, and boost cognitive functions.

 

Emotional nourishment: Words of encouragement, kindness, or understanding can uplift a person, reducing stress and improving emotional well-being.

 

Inspiration and motivation: Words from leaders, mentors, or creative works can fuel ambition, creativity, and resilience.

 

Social connection: Communicating effectively with others creates strong relationships, leading to emotional and psychological well-being.

 

So while words don't offer traditional nutritional value, they have a powerful impact on our mental and emotional health, which is crucial for overall well-being.

[tauzero]

Oh, and from Bass Direct's website:

 

Quote

The Tech Soundsystems 4×10 is a high-performance speaker system designed for live sound environments, featuring four 10-inch drivers that deliver powerful midrange and bass frequencies with clarity and impact. Known for its high power handling and efficiency, this system can produce loud, clear sound even in large venues or outdoor settings without distortion. It offers a wide frequency range, making it suitable for various audio sources, and is engineered for durability, with rugged construction that can withstand the demands of touring and live events. While it’s not a full-range system on its own, it excels in providing punchy bass and crisp mids, making it ideal for live performances, DJ events, and large public gatherings. Additionally, the Tech Soundsystems 4×10 is designed for portability, with features like handles or wheels, making it easy to transport and set up. Whether used in concerts, clubs, or theaters, it’s a versatile solution for professionals seeking reliable, high-quality sound amplification in mid- to large-sized venues.

 

[wateroftyne]

5 hours ago, tauzero said:

 

How nutritious are words?

 

ChatGPT: 

Words themselves aren't physically nutritious, as they don't provide calories, vitamins, or minerals like food does. However, they can be considered "nutritious" in a metaphorical or psychological sense. Words can nourish the mind, emotions, and relationships. For example:

Mental stimulation: Reading or listening to well-chosen words—whether through books, conversations, or lectures—can stimulate thinking, improve vocabulary, and boost cognitive functions.

 

Emotional nourishment: Words of encouragement, kindness, or understanding can uplift a person, reducing stress and improving emotional well-being.

 

Inspiration and motivation: Words from leaders, mentors, or creative works can fuel ambition, creativity, and resilience.

 

Social connection: Communicating effectively with others creates strong relationships, leading to emotional and psychological well-being.

 

So while words don't offer traditional nutritional value, they have a powerful impact on our mental and emotional health, which is crucial for overall well-being.

Not even reading that cack 😄

[Dood]

19 hours ago, wateroftyne said:

I don’t mind it as an assistant to mundane, repetitive tasks. But… as a replacement for human creativity, or emotion? F that, with bells on. I absolutely detest it.

 

It’s an inevitable development in technology, but one which opens a miserable new chapter.

 

 

There’s a quote that has been floating around the internet that sums up my feelings about it too. Why are we getting AI to take away our creativity whilst we’re plodding along still doing the chores and hard graft, shouldn’t it be around the other way! This stuff is supposed to make life easier!

 

AI can be “taught” how to do specialist tasks and I’ve seen some great results doing so. Yeah, I want it to do my tax returns, create my spreadsheets and social media coverage, help write teaching slides and help order my busy life.. and with the right tools, it can.

 

 

[Dood]

9 hours ago, tauzero said:

Oh, and from Bass Direct's website:

 

 

In fairness, aside from the wheels bit, that’s a fair review of the ND410S. I had a pair of them way back when. They don’t go “deep” but they are definitely punchy and a lot going on in the mids with lots of clarity. 1200W RMS iirc? 

[Dood]

Right now, I treat AI in a similar way to the methods I use in teaching a new theory or concept. To use an analogy, it’s a bit like deciding upon the ingredients, cooking, then setting the table before you eat your meal. 

[tauzero]

5 minutes ago, Dood said:

In fairness, aside from the wheels bit, that’s a fair review of the ND410S. I had a pair of them way back when. They don’t go “deep” but they are definitely punchy and a lot going on in the mids with lots of clarity. 1200W RMS iirc? 

 

I've had one too, in fact that's why I read the description. There are a lot of references to live sound, and it's apparently "known for its high power handling and efficiency". And mine had a tweeter which has been omitted from the generated text, and which I would argue did make it a full range cab. So while it might be a description, it's not especially accurate, and it doesn't actually say anything.

[Woodinblack]

15 minutes ago, tauzero said:

So while it might be a description, it's not especially accurate, and it doesn't actually say anything.

 

But luckily on my new mac update, I can select an AI description, right click on the text, select 'writing tools'-> 'Summarise' and get:

 

• Sound Quality: Delivers powerful midrange and bass frequencies with clarity and impact.

• Performance: High power handling and efficiency for loud, clear sound in large venues.

• Applications: Ideal for live performances, DJ events, and large public gatherings.

[miles'tone]

38 minutes ago, Dood said:

There’s a quote that has been floating around the internet that sums up my feelings about it too. Why are we getting AI to take away our creativity whilst we’re plodding along still doing the chores and hard graft, shouldn’t it be around the other way! This stuff is supposed to make life easier!

 

AI can be “taught” how to do specialist tasks and I’ve seen some great results doing so. Yeah, I want it to do my tax returns, create my spreadsheets and social media coverage, help write teaching slides and help order my busy life.. and with the right tools, it can.

 

 

Agree 100%

[Dood]

2 minutes ago, miles'tone said:

Agree 100%

That’s the one! Thank you!

[Dood]

25 minutes ago, tauzero said:

 

I've had one too, in fact that's why I read the description. There are a lot of references to live sound, and it's apparently "known for its high power handling and efficiency". And mine had a tweeter which has been omitted from the generated text, and which I would argue did make it a full range cab. So while it might be a description, it's not especially accurate, and it doesn't actually say anything.

Yeah on reflection I agree.. I’m still dozy from having played a big corporate show last night 😴 😁

 

[Wolverinebass]

38 minutes ago, Dood said:

There’s a quote that has been floating around the internet that sums up my feelings about it too. Why are we getting AI to take away our creativity whilst we’re plodding along still doing the chores and hard graft, shouldn’t it be around the other way! This stuff is supposed to make life easier!

 

AI can be “taught” how to do specialist tasks and I’ve seen some great results doing so. Yeah, I want it to do my tax returns, create my spreadsheets and social media coverage, help write teaching slides and help order my busy life.. and with the right tools, it can.

 

 

It's because the people/corporations who are developing AI in all likelihood don't give a toss about improving people's lives. What they want is to suck up the cash from creative fields so they don't have to pay for photographers, music (in any way), copywriters. 

 

The rest of us will be doing a lot more than the laundry forever as to improve people's lives and reduce all the menial crap we all have to do is not what this is being developed for. That sort of idea would require a fundamental reset of society and that's not happening ever as billionaires and massive corporations aren't going to give up a penny for normal people. Ever.

 

I look upon AI as just another tool whose fundamental aim is to suck money upwards to the top. Sure, it'll have it's uses for us near the bottom, but to me, that's the ultimate aim.

[tauzero]

23 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

 

But luckily on my new mac update, I can select an AI description, right click on the text, select 'writing tools'-> 'Summarise' and get:

 

• Sound Quality: Delivers powerful midrange and bass frequencies with clarity and impact.

• Performance: High power handling and efficiency for loud, clear sound in large venues.

• Applications: Ideal for live performances, DJ events, and large public gatherings.

 

That's handy - it shows up an inaccuracy in the original, as it's not a cab that's ideal for DJ events or large public gatherings and I'd missed that.

[wateroftyne]

15 minutes ago, Wolverinebass said:

It's because the people/corporations who are developing AI in all likelihood don't give a toss about improving people's lives. What they want is to suck up the cash from creative fields so they don't have to pay for photographers, music (in any way), copywriters. 

 

The rest of us will be doing a lot more than the laundry forever as to improve people's lives and reduce all the menial crap we all have to do is not what this is being developed for. That sort of idea would require a fundamental reset of society and that's not happening ever as billionaires and massive corporations aren't going to give up a penny for normal people. Ever.

 

I look upon AI as just another tool whose fundamental aim is to suck money upwards to the top. Sure, it'll have it's uses for us near the bottom, but to me, that's the ultimate aim.

Absolutely. And just wait until the majority trust it and rely on it… you can guarantee Musk, Bezos & co. will monetise it, and ‘steer’ its responses.

[TimR]

As I wrote upthread, Spotify, YouTube and various opinion 'news' outlets are full of people being creative. Most of them would do better to go outside and dig the garden or do the dishes.

 

Actually being creative, coming up with new material, that other people are interested in, is hard. If it was easy, we'd all be making fortunes writing books, music and directing films. 

 

Shouldn't have to point that out on a bass players forum. 

Edited Sunday at 13:46 by TimR

[TimR]

1 hour ago, Wolverinebass said:

I look upon AI as just another tool whose fundamental aim is to suck money upwards to the top.

 

I think tools like ProTools, Garageband, Photoshop, and video equivilents have allowed the man in the street to do things to a level that gets ideas across without having to pay for videographers, recording studios, graphic artists. So I'm nor sure it's the billionaires to blame. The billionaires are taking the money from the people buying the software and hardware. 

 

However, they're never going to be a substitute for someone who has been trained and uses those tools all day everyday.