Woodinblack Posted March 19 Posted March 19 On 19/03/2025 at 08:32, pierreganseman said: Sorry dude haha - is that a Typo or your bass is actually 43 scale?? Expand I was incorrect, it was actually a 42" scale. Quote
pierreganseman Posted March 20 Posted March 20 On 19/03/2025 at 09:33, eude said: How's the 30" 6er coming along? Expand no idea - I let him do his thing. Last I heard 2 3 month ago he was waiting for some nice roasted ash (I think) for the body gonna be banging. 1 Quote
Owen Posted March 20 Posted March 20 On 19/03/2025 at 19:21, Woodinblack said: I was incorrect, it was actually a 42" scale. Expand That must speak with the voice of Thunder!!! 1 Quote
pierreganseman Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 19/03/2025 at 19:21, Woodinblack said: I was incorrect, it was actually a 42" scale. Expand DAMN ! HAHA.... 1 : I did not even know such things existed lol 2 : I don't compute how you play that thing .... must feel like a boat Quote
Woodinblack Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 21/03/2025 at 12:15, pierreganseman said: DAMN ! HAHA.... 1 : I did not even know such things existed lol 2 : I don't compute how you play that thing .... must feel like a boat Expand 1: in general they probably don't 2: actually in use, its big but not so big Quote
Woodinblack Posted March 21 Posted March 21 Interestingly enough (at least to me), I decided to have a poke around in the elctronics last night. Both separate boards are preamps, not sure why there are two, one is a printed one, one is a bit of patchboard. I found out the LEDs weren't working as one of the battery wires had come off the battery holder (on the 2xAA holder), so when that is back the front volume pull switch turns on the LEDs. So I have no idea what the other switch does and it is under too many wires to get to to see - the other switch is a series / parallel / single coil I think. But for what I don't know, maybe both of them as it is a 4 pole 3 positon I failed to get any response from emailing Bass Gallery unfortunately - maybe they are another company that don't respond. Quote
Terry M. Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 21/03/2025 at 12:36, Woodinblack said: I failed to get any response from emailing Bass Gallery unfortunately - maybe they are another company that don't respond. Expand Call them or if you're able to bring it in person for Martin to see it. Great chaps but they don't always answer their emails. Quote
Russ Posted March 21 Posted March 21 (edited) On 21/03/2025 at 12:36, Woodinblack said: Interestingly enough (at least to me), I decided to have a poke around in the elctronics last night. Both separate boards are preamps, not sure why there are two, one is a printed one, one is a bit of patchboard. I found out the LEDs weren't working as one of the battery wires had come off the battery holder (on the 2xAA holder), so when that is back the front volume pull switch turns on the LEDs. So I have no idea what the other switch does and it is under too many wires to get to to see - the other switch is a series / parallel / single coil I think. But for what I don't know, maybe both of them as it is a 4 pole 3 positon I failed to get any response from emailing Bass Gallery unfortunately - maybe they are another company that don't respond. Expand Martin was using the Schack electronics pretty much exclusively back then (the occasional Bart NTMB, but probably 90% Schack), but it was only a single PCB with three sets of DIP switches on. So I'm not sure what that additional board might have been - possibly something one of the previous owners put in there? You should see if you can arrange to go over and see Martin and bring the bass with you. He's always happy to see where his old instruments (especially some of the more notable ones, such as that one) end up. EDIT: Additional thought - does the bass have a piezo system? Maybe that could be it? Edited March 21 by Russ 1 Quote
Woodinblack Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 21/03/2025 at 14:17, Russ said: Martin was using the Schack electronics pretty much exclusively back then (the occasional Bart NTMB, but probably 90% Schack), but it was only a single PCB with three sets of DIP switches on. So I'm not sure what that additional board might have been - possibly something one of the previous owners put in there? Expand Interesting, thanks, I will do a lookup. THere are 2 bart preamps as well as these two boards. One is a single PCB with 2 sets of dip switches on it. No, tell a lie, there are 2 probably bart preamps, another potted box, presumably a preamp, a single PCB that is printed with dip switches on and an jfet op amp (LF442) on the other side, and a single PCB on a bit of veroboard with what looks like a TL061 amp. On 21/03/2025 at 14:17, Russ said: You should see if you can arrange to go over and see Martin and bring the bass with you. He's always happy to see where his old instruments (especially some of the more notable ones, such as that one) end up. Expand Very unlikely i can do that - I go to london maybe once every 2 or 3 years, and when I do I don't really have the option to lug a 5kg bass (with no case or bag) around with me! On 21/03/2025 at 14:17, Russ said: EDIT: Additional thought - does the bass have a piezo system? Maybe that could be it? Expand It does indeed Quote
Terry M. Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 21/03/2025 at 16:56, Woodinblack said: Very unlikely i can do that - I go to london maybe once every 2 or 3 years, and when I do I don't really have the option to lug a 5kg bass (with no case or bag) around with me! Expand Actually what gig bag would fit that? Quote
Woodinblack Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 21/03/2025 at 17:18, Terry M. said: Actually what gig bag would fit that? Expand Took me long enough to find a gig bag to fit the bongo - I carried it home in that but there was quite a lot sticking out! Quote
Terry M. Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 21/03/2025 at 18:29, Woodinblack said: Took me long enough to find a gig bag to fit the bongo - I carried it home in that but there was quite a lot sticking out! Expand True. I had a Bongo. Quote
itu Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 21/03/2025 at 16:56, Woodinblack said: ...there are 2 probably bart preamps, another potted box, presumably a preamp, a single PCB that is printed with dip switches on and an jfet op amp (LF442) on the other side, and a single PCB on a bit of veroboard with what looks like a TL061 amp. Expand Jfet sounds like a hi-Z preamp, maybe a piezo pre. TL061 is only a single, could it be a summing amp? (All preamps are lo-Z, and could be summed via resistors.) Martin sure could open up the specs. Quote
Russ Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 21/03/2025 at 16:56, Woodinblack said: Very unlikely i can do that - I go to london maybe once every 2 or 3 years, and when I do I don't really have the option to lug a 5kg bass (with no case or bag) around with me! Expand Dude… if you’re in Somerset, you’re two hours away. Make a day of it! Although I guess I’ve developed a bit of a different concept of travel time since I’ve lived in the US… Look online for a gig bag for a Flying V bass - they’re out there. That should be sufficiently long for that bass. Quote
crazycloud Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 22/03/2025 at 12:32, itu said: All preamps are lo-Z Expand No, they're not. Onboard pres are quite high Zin because they need to be to not load down the relatively high Z of passive pickups ROT is Zin of 10x source Z). Pretty much every onboard pre is opamp based and I can easily design one with just about any common opamp. Piezo pres are higher Zin than a pre for coil type PUs, but only by a factor of 5 or 10. Quote
itu Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 22/03/2025 at 13:13, crazycloud said: No, they're not. Onboard pres are quite high Zin because they need to be to not load down the relatively high Z of passive pickups ROT is Zin of 10x source Z). Pretty much every onboard pre is opamp based and I can easily design one with just about any common opamp. Piezo pres are higher Zin than a pre for coil type PUs, but only by a factor of 5 or 10. Expand Sorry if I mislead you: Preamp outs are lo-Z. Therefore the summing amp could be done with a simple resistor based single. Inputs are pretty high, but for that piezo, it has to be very high, as you stated. Otherwise the input impedance would cut lows. 1 Quote
Terry M. Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 22/03/2025 at 13:01, Russ said: Dude… if you’re in Somerset, you’re two hours away. Expand Takes me that to drive from my home in north London to Bass Direct. It's really not that far. I go there quite a bit 😊 Quote
Woodinblack Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 22/03/2025 at 13:01, Russ said: Dude… if you’re in Somerset, you’re two hours away. Make a day of it! Although I guess I’ve developed a bit of a different concept of travel time since I’ve lived in the US… Expand Oh if only that were true! Google says its 3 hours and 5 minutes avoiding traffic, so a 6.5 hour round trip, which involves driving and being in London, which isn't something I like doing! 1 Quote
Woodinblack Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 22/03/2025 at 13:01, Russ said: Look online for a gig bag for a Flying V bass - they’re out there. That should be sufficiently long for that bass. Expand It would be tight (ie, it is exactly the same lenth as the bass, so not sure how much room there is, but it is too narrow at the body due to the horn! Seems strange noone makes a case for a bass that is 53" long and as wide as an ordinary bass Quote
tauzero Posted March 24 Posted March 24 On 21/03/2025 at 12:15, pierreganseman said: DAMN ! HAHA.... 1 : I did not even know such things existed lol 2 : I don't compute how you play that thing .... must feel like a boat Expand 42" scale is the same as a double bass (at normal 3/4 size). Quote
tauzero Posted March 24 Posted March 24 On 21/03/2025 at 14:17, Russ said: Martin was using the Schack electronics pretty much exclusively back then (the occasional Bart NTMB, but probably 90% Schack), but it was only a single PCB with three sets of DIP switches on. So I'm not sure what that additional board might have been - possibly something one of the previous owners put in there? Expand As an extra data point, my Original, s/n 036, had a Bart NTMB in it. As it failed soon after I got it and now has a Delano in it, I can't provide more details on it. Quote
tauzero Posted March 24 Posted March 24 On 21/03/2025 at 18:29, Woodinblack said: Took me long enough to find a gig bag to fit the bongo - I carried it home in that but there was quite a lot sticking out! Expand I found one to fit a Warwick Buzzard so you should be able to find something from the guitar equivalent of Curvissa. Quote
Woodinblack Posted March 24 Posted March 24 On 24/03/2025 at 02:09, tauzero said: As an extra data point, my Original, s/n 036, had a Bart NTMB in it. Expand I assume the two larger black boxes are those, due to the colours of the wires, but no labels on them, not sure if they are removed or on the bottom. On 24/03/2025 at 02:12, tauzero said: I found one to fit a Warwick Buzzard so you should be able to find something from the guitar equivalent of Curvissa. Expand Still haven't found anything, was going to modify an existing old bass case with an extension, seemed easier than making a new case! Quote
Ruarl Posted March 24 Posted March 24 All this case chat has reminded me: My Sei came in a wildly oversized case, which I still have. It might be big enough for your 42” monster. What’s the total length? I’ll dig the case out next time I’m at the storage unit. Quote
Woodinblack Posted March 24 Posted March 24 The full length, bass to tip of the headstock is 134cm Been looking, found a Warwick Buzzard case that was long enough, but an odd shape which might not fit (in fact, I was puzzled how it fits a buzzard), and a few 88 key cases. There is an Flying V bag that is long enough but it tapers to the neck (as you would expect from a V), which is where the sei is the widest. Quote
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